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Old 02-22-2019, 09:04 PM #51
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Vlad controlling distance? Is that what all the clinching was called?

Vlad needs to be set to throw... That also ain't happening against Ali.
that's a good point.


Again, I only think Ali wins this by coming alive in the last three rounds. But it's true that Vlad would struggle w/ Ali's mobility. I just don't see Ali doing any better than he faired against Norton. And Vlad will probably eventually land something with a lot of mustard on it.
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:05 AM #52
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- -The Kbros perfected the new "big man" style to dominate 15 yrs of boxing in spite of all the cards stacked against them.

Ali struggled thru the total of his career and just never dominated at the level of the Ks. Like I say, he'd have taken the Haye route starting at cruiser or even LH before moving up to a bit more success than Haye had.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:01 AM #53
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I Think VLAD will be too powerful and smart for Ali.
Powerful? Yes.

Smart? No chance.

The problem here, is that most people believe that Wlad's prime was during his decade of dominance. And personally, I have no argument against that. But that version of Wlad was overly cautious, as it was after his early knockouts. Manny did a great job with him, but he was psychologically scarred from them. Despite Ali not being classed as a 'puncher' Wlad would have been very cautious in my opinion. And I think that that would have played into Ali's hands.

When you're looking at confidence/mental toughness, there's no comparison at all. Tyson Fury psyched out Wlad in the lead up to their fight with his behaviour. Wlad didn't know what to do with him. Tyson's antics made Wlad shout and swear, and he even made him shave his head. Then when in the ring, he would not let his hands go or change his tactics. So you'd have to believe that Ali would definitely have gotten to him mentally. Ali was a master of that, as we saw with Liston and Foreman.

I'd actually give a young, Gung-ho version of Wlad a better chance of beating Ali than a prime version.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:22 AM #54
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- -Wlad was 39 yrs old with a much longer career at the top than Ali.

He was also dealing with a wife that fell apart after the birth of their child.

Ali was younger with less fights when he fell apart again little toofless Leon, but of course I knew Ali wasn't Ali for a long time before that fight.

Hardly fair to ascertain that an aging fighter at his worst shows his true capabilities.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:25 AM #55
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--- Poor matchup for Ali.

Ali could never come close to Joe Louis record that Wlad was in the middle of breaking until his wife went mental after the birth of their child, the reason ol'Time trainers preferred to keep their fighters single.
Why not?

It would also have been a very tough match up for Wlad.

Ali had the hand speed, foot speed, chin, heart and confidence that would have been a nightmare for Wlad.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:28 AM #56
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--- Ali was in his athletic prime of 29 when half blind Frazier whooped the tar balls outta him.

Timeline comparison shows a clear Wlad dominance save that nanosecond of Ali's prime where Ali has his best chance.
How was he in his athletic prime after being out for over 3 years?
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Weird comparison. It's like saying: Imagine Ali vs. Holmes, except twice as bad for Ali etc.....
I think he's looking at the unorthadox style as well as the mental aspect.
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... now: Sanders and Brewster KOd a "prime" Wlad... then Steward came and changed him...

I think that Ali would have easily beaten a "pre-Steward" Wlad...
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How was he in his athletic prime after being out for over 3 years?
28 yrs of age is top physical prime, but more importantly he was at the full height of his mental prime and chomping at the bit after he was greenlighted to fight again.

I would think that is obvious, but unfortunately to many in boxing forums claim to think without providing any evidence.
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... now: Sanders and Brewster KOd a "prime" Wlad... then Steward came and changed him...

I think that Ali would have easily beaten a "pre-Steward" Wlad...
- -Cosell was choking on his Toupee when lefty Mildenberger had Ali in a world of hurt. Guarantee if a bigger, stronger, faster lefty 1st rd KO ARTIST like Sanders had led with a headbutt followed by a powerful flurry he coul do the same to Ali.

Manny had joined Wlad for Sanders and they dominated Brewster with just a jab and couple of KDs. Gaming houses had suspended betting the week before because of a suspicious massive betting frenzy on Brewster.

I was looking for funny biz and disappointed until Wlad came out weak as a kitten and could barely stand up, collapsing though scarcely a punch landed after the bell.

I jumped up immediately thinking he was drugged as did Manny and Vitaly. He was hospitalized but the blood tests were negative, but we know big pharma in cahoots with intelligence services all over the country develop all manner of surreptitious drugs that won't register on a drug test.

Just look at the damage BALCO Vic Conte did to athletics, baseball, ect, and now boxing as one obvious example.
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