Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

[Robbie Barrett]

Nope you are all confused trying to protect Floyd.

Go show me of another person who says its BS that giving blood drains you in 2011 then in 2015 saying it contributed to his dehydration?

That should be enough right there to call all that BS, right?
But lets continue:
Giving urine contributed to my dehydration" - Floyd What? That is a complete lie!!!

So the above should be enough for most but there is a lot more. Floyd's weight was rock stable. There is a lot more but you know all that.

Floyd followed the rules? Floyd was allowed to delay giving his sample for 6 hours. That's OK? Nope! Especially if it includes going to bet on the basketball game after the weighin.

Floyd used a banned method without having a TUE. USADA, who Floyd's reps pay off, handed it to Floyd 3 weeks AFTER the fact. While its already crazy on its own but with knowing that Floyd admits to making weight EASILY for a decade including the fight that he required an IV ....

Yet you still believe Floyd required an IV ...

Retroactive TUEs are given in circumstances where there isn't time to apply for a TUE before (it takes weeks to be approved). This has been explained to you many times with links to USADA and WADA's sites showing you. Why do you choose to ignore this you dense fuck?

You can come up with conspiracy theories all you like but the fact is Mayweather didn't break the rules.

[b00g13man]

#FloydRuinsLives

[travestyny]

DCO was there but as I keep on telling you, Floyd delayed giving the sample by 6 hours. That could have made all the difference right there.
Was going to bet on a basketball game legit, legal process and reason to delay producing a urine sample? NO!!!! Yet that was acceptable for only one guy and his name was FLoyd Mayweather!!!

When given an IV the urine can still have an acceptable specific gravity.



Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

He weighed 146 + drank sufficiently enough to be close to FULLY rehydrated. As we saw, Fluid was able to drink fluids orally. Once you are CLOSE TO or FULLY REHYDRATED then you do NOT need an IV.

Now if we had no information, cool, but we have loads of information. Floyd lied and said dehydration was due to giving blood and urine but if you go back to 2011, Floyd and his fans would have called that BS:

"Giving blood doesnt make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

"Giving blood and urine contributed to my dehydration (to the point that I had to get an IV)" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2015


Also, just like GloabalDRo, USADA now confirms WADA's clarification:
"Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”

Dehydrated due to blood and urine? Read above. Even Floyd and his fans laughed at that in 2011.
Dehydrated due to exercises/training? Not a good reason too!!!



Finally, as I pointed out, USADA in 2015 made the rounds telling athletes for certain organizations that they cannot rehydrate after the weigh-in by way of an IV because its banned and not acceptable even though they need to rehydrate 5-10-15-20+ lbs .... Floyd was rock stable with his weight and you are telling me that he required an IV for something that WADA, USADA, studies state that otherwise?

Well for USADA, Floyd is the exception! All he has to do is ask 3 weeks after the fact and he will get it.

Dude, you really have to let it go.

1. Yes he delayed, but he gave a partial sample from before the IV.

2. That you can drink doesn't mean that it is the most effective way to treat dehydration. I've told you this plenty of times and I've linked you to WADA saying the same thing.

Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments.
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf

When you get his medical records, perhaps you can find out if he had any condition that made IV rehydration necessary.

3. Ellerby said training made Floyd dehydrated, and giving blood and urine contributed to it. You really cling to the urine thing as if he means it was the main reason he was dehydrated. Just stop.

4. Already showed you that Dela Hoya's weight was stable, yet he needed IV rehydration. Just admit you don't know what you are talking about.

5. Your final point makes no sense. We already know that IV rehydration is banned without a TUE. He got a TUE. Check his medical records if you have a problem with it.

6. And once again, WHY THE HELL WOULD HE TRY TO MANIPULATE HIS BLOOD LEVELS WHEN HE WASN'T TAKING A BLOOD TEST????????

Just give it up. Move on.

[pesticid]

I voted no but who knows for sure if Ali, Armstrong, Leonard, Robinson, Duran and the rest of them weren't doping. What kind of testing existed back then. There's always been cheating, so if you take James Toney and Morales out you might as well take them all out.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't think anyone cares THAT much about the boxing HOF for it to matter all that much to very many people...even hardcore fans. That said it should be something thats on the table cuz cheating via PEDs should keep you out of the boxing HOF.

[-PBP-]

What about those that took PEDs but never got caught?

I think they need to put proper procedure in place, and then once all fighters are subject to the same strict standards, hall of fame bans can be issued out.

[New England]

IV's are illegal only under USADA/VADA (without a TUE) rules which aren't a requirement.

wada also prohobits using more than 50 ml of iv injections per 6 hour period outside of clinical necessity. they all do it to prevent people from masking PED use. floyd mayweather was either horribly dehydrated [this is a fighter that claims to cut no weight and walk around a little over 155,] or up to something that all of the antidoping bodies think is too suspicious to allow.


"Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period
except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,
surgical procedures or clinical investigations."

that's the ruling.


and here's why they ahve it:

"In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report."


i've yet to see any verifying medical data that shows that floyd mayweather was dehydrated. the biggest athlete in the world got caught with an illegal IV in his arm, and he got an exemption from a drug testing body, who isn't even allowed to give out exemptions.


nevada started out making a big fuss, but they shut the f#ck up when the casinos told them to.

[jas]

Actually a balanced list by freedom lol

Surprised to see vitalis inclusion

You feelin alright lately freedom?

I voted Not sure.

I think the commisions should regulate a stringent random drug testing program and any positive test that springs up after the fight should automatically result in a DQ loss for the fighter.

[gauze]

PEDs should just be legalized in sports because everyone is taking them anyway. there are legal and illegal PEDs...it's not like any of these guys are completely natural.

[Robbie Barrett]

wada also prohobits using more than 50 ml of iv injections per 6 hour period outside of clinical necessity. they all do it to prevent people from masking PED use. floyd mayweather was either horribly dehydrated [this is a fighter that claims to cut no weight and walk around a little over 155,] or up to something that all of the antidoping bodies think is too suspicious to allow.


"Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period
except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,
surgical procedures or clinical investigations."

that's the ruling.


and here's why they ahve it:

"In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report."


i've yet to see any verifying medical data that shows that floyd mayweather was dehydrated. the biggest athlete in the world got caught with an illegal IV in his arm, and he got an exemption from a drug testing body, who isn't even allowed to give out exemptions.


nevada started out making a big fuss, but they shut the f#ck up when the casinos told them to.

He didn't get caught USADA was informed and present throughout.

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Mayweather being treated for dehydration falls under these rules. That's why he was given a TUE.

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

As i said, stupid Pac fans not understanding shit.


BTW IV's are not illegal under NSAC rules, you should really know what you're talking about before trying to get in to a discussion.