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Machida by Dec 18 41.86%
Machida by KO 13 30.23%
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:22 PM #41
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rampage has no defense against leg kicks and he's old and rusty as hell

machida is a precise striker who trains all the time and stays in shape all the time

machida by decision IMO
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Saying his striking defense is bad because he fights in a different stance / distance and while in his usual distance he leaves his chin up and boxers don't do that is just stupid. He isn't a boxer and as I said boxing isn't the Yin and Yang of martial arts. They're specialists but just because someone doesn't do in a MMA match what a boxer usually does in a Boxing match it doesn't mean his defense is bad. Its just unusual for your eyes.

Machida knows what he's doing and nobody came even close to doing any damage to him in his previous fights (except Sam Grecco). The Machida that fought Shogun in the 2nd time isn't the usual Machida; he doesn't fight like that at all and he was forced to fight that way because Shogun would rape him again if Machida stayed in his usual range. I think that the ones (not you) that are judging him by that fight, which was an exception, aren't too bright...

Anyway, shogun is the only guy in the LHW division that can match Lyoto's speed.

Oh and I wasn't talking about styles vs. styles, I talked about fighters. Using a boxing perspective to judge other martial artists could make you say that Por Parmuk isn't that good while in fact he would beat any hands-only fighter in a full striking match 9/10 and I don't think anyone can dispute this.
I understand what you are saying, I really do but because he has used a Shotokan stance he leaves his hands lower and keeps his chin up. I'll shown you an example.

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Notice how when he's on the attack and pressuring his chin is straight up in the air with nothing to block it.

It's common knowledge that keeping your chin way up in the air like that is not a good idea especially against a guy with a lot of power in Rampage. He uses his speed and especially leg movement to make up for this and establish distance so he can work. It works effectively as shown by his record and resume. Rampage is probably the 2nd best striker he's faced after Shogun, if he can capitalize if/when Machida comes forward he could land a shot.
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Machida wins this easy..Rampage will plod around the ring like he did Griffin
like he did Evans just looking for a big shot that wont come..

Easy UD for Machida
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Machida wins this easy..Rampage will plod around the ring like he did Griffin
like he did Evans just looking for a big shot that wont come..

Easy UD for Machida
I hate to say it, but you're probably right. Machida wins easy only if he stays disciplined. Rampage is like a slow version of Pac when it comes to breaking guys down. He can pretty spark anyone out if his opponents stand in front of him, but has trouble chasing guys down at a distance. But Pac has quick feet, Rampage doesn't.

Machida will keep it at a distance and break down Rampage to a UD win. I think he learned how dangerous over-aggression can be when Shogun knocked him out. I would love to see Rampage pull off the upset, but Machida is not only a horrible style match up for Jackson, but Machida is master of that style as well.
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I understand what you are saying, I really do but because he has used a Shotokan stance he leaves his hands lower and keeps his chin up. I'll shown you an example.

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That's not typical of Machida. He doesn't brawl. He did this against Rashad but he was already rocked. He looked bad because he wasn't fighting in his usual style. obviously he cannot fight on the inside with chin up and guard down... Anyway, this was Round 3 of their first match and he was already feeling his legs/ribs. He decided to try to knock Shogun out but couldn't. Luckily for him that flurry stole the round and consequently the fight too. (unjustified IMO).


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Notice how when he's on the attack and pressuring his chin is straight up in the air with nothing to block it.
Who denied he does that? He keeps chin up hands down because that's how they fight in Shotokan but when he decided to rush in and fight in the close distance obviously it was a bad choice, he doesn't know how to fight in the close distance. That's what makes Shogun an impossible match up for him. At Machida's most comfortable range, Shogun owns him with his kicks and if moves in he'll end up in Shogun's domain. But he wont fight in the close distance against Rampage unless he's stupid and he isn't... He'll NOT rush in. Period.

btw, read this interview with Machida's ex muay thai coach and you'll probably understand why fought like that against shogun and why he doesn't need to do that against Rampage.

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Rampage is probably the 2nd best striker he's faced after Shogun, if he can capitalize if/when Machida comes forward he could land a shot.
That wont happen unless he rocks Rampage first. Machida will fight on his Karate range landing kicks at will. He'll probably destroy Quinton's lead leg. And guess what?! He'll do this with his chin up and hands down and when Rampage moves in Machida will land a SINGLE straight and move away. Rinse and repeat.

Watch Lyoto's first 5 fights in the UFC. That's what gonna happen in their fight.

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I hate to say it, but you're probably right. Machida wins easy only if he stays disciplined. Rampage is like a slow version of Pac when it comes to breaking guys down. He can pretty spark anyone out if his opponents stand in front of him, but has trouble chasing guys down at a distance. But Pac has quick feet, Rampage doesn't.

Machida will keep it at a distance and break down Rampage to a UD win. I think he learned how dangerous over-aggression can be when Shogun knocked him out. I would love to see Rampage pull off the upset, but Machida is not only a horrible style match up for Jackson, but Machida is master of that style as well.
Yep..Im a fan of both these guys more so Jackson
but dude just aint the same fighter of the pride days his a long way off that.
Machida all day will move about long distance and strike.
Easy UD win for him if like you said his disciplined enough with it and something tells me his gonna be...
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That wont happen unless he rocks Rampage first. Machida will fight on his Karate range landing kicks at will. He'll probably destroy Quinton's lead leg. And guess what?! He'll do this with his chin up and hands down and when Rampage moves in Machida will land a SINGLE straight and move away. Rinse and repeat.

Watch Lyoto's first 5 fights in the UFC. That's what gonna happen in their fight.
We'll see. I'm betting on Rampage at least making it competitive. We're not talking about fighting Sokojou or Tito here. I think Rampage will end up being too slow to land that shot to change things but people writing him off completely reminds me a lot of the supposed "Machida era" where everyone thought he was invincible.

I'm done debating though, lets just sit back and see what happens.

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We'll see. I'm betting on Rampage at least making it competitive. We're not talking about fighting Sokojou or Tito here. I think Rampage will end up being too slow to land that shot to change things but people writing him off completely reminds me a lot of the supposed "Machida era" where everyone thought he was invincible.

Competitive? Depends on what you mean by "competitive". Will machida knock him out? Nope. but it'll be a boring decision where Machida will land few power punches while staying clean defensively...

The only way to machida stop the fight is if Rampage tries to box with him, then machida will eat quinton's lead leg. If he doesn't do that then Machida by 30-27, 30-27, 30-27.

But until the fights end a lot of people will be on their seat nervously waiting for rampage's right rook. But the fight will end and they wont see his right hook lol and they'll say: what a boring fight! Machida ran from rampage!! machida was scared!!!

Anyway, talking about people that thought Machida was invincible: I'm not one of those guys. Quite the contrary, if you want I can post sherdog's links of me predicting shogun would win their first fight.

Btw, those fans are the ones that NOW think Rampage will beat him because they think that Machida is an aggressive fighter. lol.

They became fans of machida when he was knocking people out while leaving himself open for counters. That's not Machida.


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Yep. We should end this because we repeating ourselves... To reply to your gif I would just repeat what I said in my first post "that fight was an exception" judging him by that isn't too smart.
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To end this: if the machida that shows up is the aggressive machida then it's a 50/50 fight. If the cautious machida shows up then machida wins 9/10.
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