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Old 01-02-2020, 04:10 PM #151
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Does anyone find it funny that wilder vs fury was made so easy two times but wilder Aj couldn’t be made at all ??? Wilder gave Fury 50/50 split and he doesn’t hold a belt. Now that Aj has a loss on his record maybe he should just wilder 50/50 with the loser getting less in a rematch like wilder and fury are doing.
Are Joshua and wilder doing the same numbers? If so 50 50 is fair enough.

Are Joshua and wilder earning the same kind of money? If so 50 50 is fair enough.

Are Joshua and wilder holding an equal amount of belts? If so 50 50vis fair enough.

The answer is NO, to all of those questions. There is no debating it, Joshua is a MASSIVE A side here. If wilder gets 50% fair play to him but the man is a clear B side to Joshua and has done nothing to warrant half.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:11 PM #152
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Stiverne got a gift win before he fought Wilder to a C level guy , I remember him going down in that one to before they pulled it off you tube .


Only liars seems to be the ones who donít get Wilder losing pens when offers are in front of him and Finkel just happens to be that brick wall, you canít stop a fight if you are making the offers. Wow...Ha.
Hearn Bot stop smoking meth. i can do the same thing. Just before AJ fought Klitschko for the vacant title Vlad had just lost to Fury and been sitting on shelf for almost two years right?

He Also had two TKO losses in the past to Brewster and Sanders. Does it make him an unworthy opponent for Joshua? No it doesnít. See some of us donít have to degrade a champion because they had a few stumbles.

But since you want to go there. If it is about proving a fighters worth through resume what have they done for us lately?


AJ
Pulev/ ??
Ruiz Jr./ Win by UD
Ruiz Jr / Loss by TKO
Povetkin Win by TKO
Parker/ Win by UD
Takam/ Win by TKO

Wilder
Tyson Fury/ Scheduled
Luis Ortiz/ Win by KO
Breazealle/ Win by KO
Tyson Fury/ Draw
Luis Ortiz/ Win by TKO
Stiverne/ Win by KO

No comparison bro. Redeem yourself elsewhere.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:19 PM #153
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Haha I don't even care about the original thread - Joshua hyping a future fight no big deal.

But lol at picking more or less Wilder's 3 best opponents (Stiverne 1 - the only possible exception) out of 42 fights.

- Ortiz, the American boogeyman but not really beaten anybody and about 400 years old and lost his stones when Joshua came calling
- Fury following a two year coke binge and still outboxed him despite hometown decision
- Breazeale who Joshua already beat

You could compare AJ's 22nd, 23rd and 24th fights to Wilder's

Jesse Oltmanns (10-2), Owen Beck (29-10) and Kertson Manswell (23-5) ... Yeah, I've no idea who they are either

Or where Wilder was 6 years in to his pro career ... Malik Scott and Jason Gavern

But they're as meaningless as picking an arbitrary number of fights that fits your narrative

Let's just hope they get it on in 2020
This may be the dumbest post ever seen. UK guys keep hopping in that Delorean.

However two things are true, you canít change the past and you canít freeze time.

Not going through semantics because that time is over. This is what matters today clown...


AJ
Pulev/ ??
Ruiz Jr./ Win by UD
Ruiz Jr / Loss by TKO
Povetkin Win by TKO
Parker/ Win by UD
Takam/ Win by TKO

Wilder
Tyson Fury/ Scheduled
Luis Ortiz/ Win by KO
Breazealle/ Win by KO
Tyson Fury/ Draw
Luis Ortiz/ Win by TKO
Stiverne/ Win by KO


Who fought the toughest schedule? Who was more dominant? Who got knocked the Fck out?

Lol... You clearly donít know [email protected] about boxing bro. Stay in your lane.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:22 PM #154
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Hearn Bot stop smoking meth. i can do the same thing. Just before AJ fought Klitschko for the vacant title Vlad had just lost to Fury and been sitting on shelf for almost two years right?

He Also had two TKO losses in the past to Brewster and Sanders. Does it make him an unworthy opponent for Joshua? No it doesn’t. See some of us don’t have to degrade a champion because they had a few stumbles.

But since you want to go there. If it is about proving a fighters worth through resume what have they done for us lately?


AJ
Pulev/ ??
Ruiz Jr./ Win by UD
Ruiz Jr / Loss by TKO
Povetkin Win by TKO
Parker/ Win by UD
Takam/ Win by TKO

Wilder
Tyson Fury/ Scheduled
Luis Ortiz/ Win by KO
Breazealle/ Win by KO
Tyson Fury/ Draw
Luis Ortiz/ Win by TKO
Stiverne/ Win by KO

No comparison bro. Redeem yourself elsewhere.
There’s a huge difference between a journey man and a decade dominating fighter . You claimed Stiverne was tough but at no time or prolonged time was he proven above B Level talent .


For Klitschko being so easy why did Finkel claim Wilder wasn’t ready for him in 2015 ?

Would Wilder ever be champion himself without a vacant belt ?


Should Breazeale win count since AJ defeated him years before ?

Stiverne was inactive for 2 years in the Wilder rematch ,nix that one!


How is the second Ortiz fight a K.O he was on his feet ?


Was Fury a draw ? 90 % would disagree.

See when you really answer some real questions the Wilder regimen quickly goes south .

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Old 01-02-2020, 04:23 PM #155
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Hearn needs to stop hiring these bum bots. He could at least make sure they know the sport. This bs is like telling a dog to attack with out teeth.

Maybe that’s the problem, if they knew the sport they wouldn’t work for his lying arse.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:26 PM #156
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I think Joshua realizes after the scare against Povetkin and the embarrassing loss to Ruiz, he should have accepted the $50 million against 50% guarantee and fought Wilder, instead of playing games. So this time he's waiting for the Wilder-Fury winner. Better to fight the lineal champion, and possibly beat him, than lose again to a fighter like Pulev or Usyk.

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I think Joshua realizes after the scare against Povetkin and the embarrassing loss to Ruiz, he should have accepted the $50 million against 50% guarantee and fought Wilder, instead of playing games. So this time he's waiting for the Wilder-Fury winner. Better to fight the lineal champion, and possibly beat him, than lose again to a fighter like Pulev or Usyk.
he earn't $200m over 2 fights vs ruiz.
keep talking.
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Thereís a huge difference between a journey man and a decade dominating fighter . You claimed Stiverne was tough but at no time or prolonged time was he proven above B Level talent .


For Klitschko being so easy why did Finkel claim Wilder wasnít ready for him in 2015 ?
A: Lol...clearly you canít understand detail well. The point was you can make any great champion look bad by bringing up a few negative points in their past. Hearn bot keep up.

Would Wilder ever be champion himself without a vacant belt ?

A:You donít know [email protected] about boxing. What vacant belt? Wilder earned the WBC belt beating Stiverne the previous champion. Stiverne won the the fight beating previous belt holder Chris Areaola.

Should Breazeale win count since AJ defeated him years before ? A: Are you this dumb bro? So Parker Beat Ruiz Jr. AJ beat Parker. Did it mean AJ didnít just get knocked the F out by Ruiz Jr? So wilder knocked Breazealle out in the first, AJ the seventh. Does it make the AJ win a struggle? Bro you are not smart. Why is Hearn hiring you guys?

See when you really answer some real questions the Wilder regimen quickly goes south. A:What the [email protected] are you talking about

In other words GTFOH shape shifter? Are you really trying to argue AJ is a higher ranked fighter than Wilder today because you believe Klitschko was better than Stivern three years ago?

You act like there is no up to date information on the fighters. Hop that arse back in the Delorean and get back to the future...

As stated... AJ needs to work on the future not the past. This is where they stand today...

AJ
Pulev/ ??
Ruiz Jr./ Win by UD
Ruiz Jr / Loss by TKO
Povetkin Win by TKO
Parker/ Win by UD
Takam/ Win by TKO

Wilder
Tyson Fury/ Scheduled
Luis Ortiz/ Win by KO
Breazealle/ Win by KO
Tyson Fury/ Draw
Luis Ortiz/ Win by TKO
Stiverne/ Win by KO
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In other words GTFOH shape shifter? Are you really trying to argue AJ is a higher ranked fighter than Wilder today because you believe Klitschko was better than Stivern three years ago?

You act like there is no up to date information on the fighters. Hop that arse back in the Delorean and get back to the future...

As stated... AJ needs to work on the future not the past. This is where they stand today...

AJ
Pulev/ ??
Ruiz Jr./ Win by UD
Ruiz Jr / Loss by TKO
Povetkin Win by TKO
Parker/ Win by UD
Takam/ Win by TKO

Wilder
Tyson Fury/ Scheduled
Luis Ortiz/ Win by KO
Breazealle/ Win by KO
Tyson Fury/ Draw
Luis Ortiz/ Win by TKO
Stiverne/ Win by KO
The details were Wilder was a baby not ready after defeating Stiverne and needed time to grow . This was supplied by master Finkel himself .

Wilder is holding Fury’s belt ,while AJ has avenged a loss and has a stellar resume while Wilder defeated a guy he already did a year ago and looked terrible leading up to his Wilder fight . It’s clear who the top dog is .


Are you saying Stiverne coming off a gift win was better then Klitschko at any point ? if so ydksab .


When Fury defeats Wilder again he will have one foot out the door ,the top two now are AJ and Fury ,Wilders time is a borrowed one not sure how any sane thinker thinks Wilder remotely effects AJ ,he has literally one of the worst resumes I’ve ever seen as a multi defending champion .

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The details were Wilder was a baby not ready after defeating Stiverne and needed time to grow . This was supplied by master Finkel himself .

A: Lol...Why would any promoter put him in a fight with Klitschko when he had only just won the belt? That’s stupid.
Did Hearn feed AJ to Wilder or Ortiz after he won his belt?

Joseph Parker fought Razvan Cojanu after he got the Nod over Ruiz Jr. Shouldn’t he have fought Wilder or AJ next?


Seasoned Fury fought to a draw with Wilder and ducked him for two guys ranked no higher than 25? You mad about that justice fighter?

Wilder is holding Fury’s belt ,while AJ has avenged a loss and has a stellar resume while Wilder defeated a guy he already did a year ago . It’s clear who the top dog is .
A: Not biased at all (SArcasm) Congrats to AJ for finding a pair of track shoes for the rematch, still got knocked the F out two fights back. Should that happen (AJ become Top Dog) I will give AJ his props. Why because I am not a creepy man fan like you. However Tell AJ to fight Ortiz then. I don’t believe he can beat him..

Are you saying Stiverne coming off a gift win was better then Klitschko at any point ? if so ydksab . Back in the Delorean idiot and stop sniffing what the Doc was on. Are you saying AJ didn’t get knocked the F out by at best the 8th ranked Heavyweight?


When Fury defeats Wilder again he will have one foot out the door ,the top two now are AJ and Fury ,Wilders time is a borrowed one not sure how any sane thinker thinks Wilder remotely effects AJ ,he has literally one of the worst resumes I’ve ever seen as a multi defending champion .
Lol... now you can see into the future crumb cake? Let’s see it Redreamer. Until then AJ isn’t even in second. And he better stay away from Ortiz to keep 3rd.

What else you got shapeshifter?

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