Originally posted by -=Shade=-
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What damages a legacy more? Consistent ducking or a "loss"
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Every top 10 ATG with the exception of Marciano for the weirdos that put him there have lost a fight at some point in the career.
Being undefeated means jacksquat in terms of legacy. It does mean something in terms of marketability, but never in terms of where you are ranked amongst the greatest of all time.
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A loss. Fans these days will defend a duck to the end of days, so a loss is much worse. At least if you duck, there will always be people to talk about what you "would have done" rather than what actually happened.
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Originally posted by Lebanon View PostA loss is worse.
Ducking would be worse except for the simple fact that so many people are accused of ducking, when it really happens its just lost in the shuffle.
I think fighters realize they're gonna do the time (be accused of ducking) no matter what they do, so they might as well do the crime.
There's so many boy who cried wolf ducking-allegations that we can't decipher reality from fiction right now, how can someone ranking the fighters in 5, 10, 50 years? They can't. They just look at the losses.
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A loss hurts more than "ducking" because a loss is real and on that fighter's record. A duck is something in the minds of some fans and often not true at all. Look at all the Khan fans that say Mayweather ducked Khan when the truth is Khan never beat a welterweight and has done nothing to suggest he deserves a fight with Mayweather. A new fan ten years from now would look at the records of Khan and Mayweather and know Mayweather never ducked Khan because fighters don't duck other fighters who they can beat easily.
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of course its ducking.
retired undefeated fighters to this very day have ducking questions about them.
Ricardo Lopez despite his brilliance, talent, and physique decided to hide out in the rawandan refugee division despite great fighters like michael carbajal, khasoi galaxy and chiquita gonzalez above him that could have produced legendary fights.
Joe Calzaghe didnt fight anyone until they were in their 40s.
Marciano all of his notable wins are past prime fighters.
Svent Ottke?
Floyd jr? its been debated to death.
A loss doesnt mean anything if you carried yourself well and if it was against a fellow great.
Ducking accusations can haunt you forever. That's why Laila Ali's boxing career was a joke. She ducked anybody remotely threatening.
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