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Old 04-07-2018, 06:47 PM #21
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70s Foreman would've made Wilder crap his trunks with body shots. 90s Foreman probably would've lost.
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Old 04-07-2018, 06:49 PM #22
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You know damn well if a career cruiser ate Ortiz's punches he'd be laughed at, am I lying? Ortiz completely batters guys.

Ortiz has NEVER gassed, he was concussed vs Wilder, he was getting dropped repeatedly, you're not going to be a "fresh" fighter when you're getting dropped.
Ortiz completely batters guys? I take it you haven't seen him fight for the last 3 years then?

The stamina of Ortiz is absolutely terrible. He gassed out badly against Wilder after 1 round of throwing punches. And he didn't do anything for the first half of the fight with Wilder because all they did was look at each other while the crowd booed.
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Old 04-07-2018, 06:51 PM #23
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Does Foreman suffer the same fate? Ortiz is 6"3 while Foreman is around 6"4. Foreman had the better chin and hot much harder while Ortiz is more technical. I honestly do not know about this one.
ortiz would ice him
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Old 04-07-2018, 07:47 PM #24
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Foreman came back to boxing in the late 80's with one goal.. Fight Mike Tyson.

When Tyson lost to Douglass Don King wanted to match him with 43 year old Foreman who still had a big name. But Mike wanted no parts of it.

So let's understand Prime Tyson ducked 43 year old Foreman, the preacher. That says it all about Big George. I don't see any heavyweights today beating him.
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:06 PM #25
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Ortiz and it's no contest. Ortiz has superior power, technical ability, defense, stamina, you name it Ortiz was better. Foreman is one of the worst defensive HWs of all time.


This is Foreman in '89 vs Everett Martin, a career LHW/Cruiserweight stannding 5'11. 17 wins, 7 losses, KO'd twice. Now if this was Ortiz he'd get laughed at, but because it's Foreman he gets a pass.



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Foreman's power has looked questionable at numerous times throughout his career. Take Peralta-Foreman for example, Peralta was 197lbs managed to go 10 rounds twice. 208lb Holyfield was also eating Foreman punches. Ali managed to eat a TON of body shots. etc.
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:09 PM #26
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You really do hate Foreman
Imagine hating Foreman that much that you’d question his power😭😭😭
I mean questioning his speed, technique etc fair enough, but questioning his power is like saying Michael Phelps can’t swim😭😭
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:44 PM #27
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If Wilder respects old Foreman like Morrison did he likely defeats him. I he gallop steps up to him like he did Stiverne in their second fight, he gets a concussion and a trip to the hospital.
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:09 PM #28
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Ortiz and it's no contest. Ortiz has superior power, technical ability, defense, stamina, you name it Ortiz was better. Foreman is one of the worst defensive HWs of all time.


This is Foreman in '89 vs Everett Martin, a career LHW/Cruiserweight stannding 5'11. 17 wins, 7 losses, KO'd twice. Now if this was Ortiz he'd get laughed at, but because it's Foreman he gets a pass.



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Foreman's power has looked questionable at numerous times throughout his career. Take Peralta-Foreman for example, Peralta was 197lbs managed to go 10 rounds twice. 208lb Holyfield was also eating Foreman punches. Ali managed to eat a TON of body shots. etc.
Much respect cause of that Ward sig, I love that punch, that is one of my all time favorite shots in Boxing history

Okay, now I have to tell you that you're discounting George's ability to handle punishment and then plod forward, returning significantly powerful shots. George also had a left uppercut he could rip your head off with and could throw it walking forward, he took Cooney out with it. I know...Cooney wasn't as good as Wilder. Still, Foreman would've wiped up the floor with Ortiz, Wilder, (40+ yr old Foreman, I'm talking) and it's because of ring generalship, timing, etc. One good left uppercut and it's over w/.

But let's talk about George's jab, which was equivalent of a 2x4 coming out of a basement window.
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:15 PM #29
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I like George cause he taught the kids at the end, he gave something back. The old man was a bit of a racist, growing up. He worked for a local phone company. Was bellsouth then, now it is at&t. Didn't care for black ppl, but when big george made his comeback, the old man was watching. i saw boxing transcend racism and it was because of big george. so my opinion may be biased.
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:35 PM #30
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Cooney is in no way comparable to Wilder lol, Wilder is the fastest, most flexible, hardest hitting super heavy of all time.
Cooney was more skilled and had a devestating left hook. I think you are overrating Wilder
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