Comments Thread For: Andre Ward's Perspective on Role Race Plays in How He is Covered

[FeFist]

If someone went into work and the white colleagues were praised for showing up at 9:00am whilst the black colleagues grilled for showing up at 9:00, you wouldn't need the employer to say something explicit racist to make a legally actionable claim. The onus would be placed on the employer to show that race isn't at the root of the different reactions.

I feel that the people covering/following boxing are in a similar situation. When you're dealing with Mayweather, you can reasonably say the guy is a prick. When you're dealing with a fighter like Ward and he is juxtaposed with a guy like Kovalev, it is a head scratcher when people hate Ward for his arrogance and bad personality.

Same when it comes down to accomplishments in the ring. Why is the bar set considerably higher for black fighters. They're not allowed to struggle, they're not allowed to lose, they must always fight the best and move north of their division. For white fighters it is enough for them to knockout or school contenders in a weak division.

[Shadoww702]

look at this neanderthal turning his back and running from king dre. theres gonna be alot of tears in here after the rematch.. sergio will be vomiting vodka in the ring after getting that body work.

Can you get a picture of when Kovalov needed the ropes to hold him up because he was stumbling around like a drunk??

I think it was in round 11???

[-Kev-]

Come on is this serious? Kovalev and Froch are big jerks, cocky, and talk down their opponents, nobody cares. Kovalev was praised for calling Stevenson a monkey or whatever, by the same fans who in here cheerleading Keith Idec. It's easy to be a white writer or white guy and try to cover for yourself as to why you don't like Ward. Truth is most people are actually prejudice, some actually know it and embrace it and either try to change or become full blown prejudice. Others just keep it inside and try to find other excuses as to why they don't like black people. There was even excuses for to not like Paul Williams, despite his style being that of a brawler, his personality being laid back, and his boxing ambitions just wanting to literally fight anyone from 147 to 160.

[Vegemil]

"Rational" huh? In a world that has been conquered by Europeans the most irrational thing you could do is try to pretend that racism does not exist.

Or you could keep blaming racism for all your problems. I'm not here to judge your way of life just putting in my 2 cents.

[BillyBoxing]

Yea, it's funny as to why the soft-spoken, but confident individual catches all the flack but the abrasive one who has shown himself to be a racist on more than one occasion is coddled and has excuses made for him. And, I don't even think it's all about race. Boxing fans just adore the aggressive, loud ones, and generally show more allegiance to them, regardless of color.

I'm a fan of both but when Kovalev says stupid stuff, it's always excused. Ward says stupid things and people go apeshyt.

Seems like the one coming with excuses is Ward, the race card as the last one.

Kovalev just talking trash and feel he was robbed.

Most people agrees with him, white or green.

Kovalev ain't no a great guy himself, he doesn't really have fans, but I thought they robbed him 3 belts hardly collected.

People act like Floyd is hated because he's black and Ward is being disrespected with all that "Son of Gift" stuff because he's the black guy.

What about Floyd simply being a total prick and Ward truly getting outboxed in most people eyez?

[BillyBoxing]

Come on is this serious? Kovalev and Froch are big jerks, cocky, and talk down their opponents, nobody cares. Kovalev was praised for calling Stevenson a monkey or whatever, by the same fans who in here cheerleading Keith Idec. It's easy to be a white writer or white guy and try to cover for yourself as to why you don't like Ward. Truth is most people are actually prejudice, some actually know it and embrace it and either try to change or become full blown prejudice. Others just keep it inside and try to find other excuses as to why they don't like black people. There was even excuses for to not like Paul Williams, despite his style being that of a brawler, his personality being laid back, and his boxing ambitions just wanting to literally fight anyone from 147 to 160.

While all black people have been dIckriding Klit, Lomo, Usyk or Calslappy and have shown to be less racist and more open minded.

Not like they would create fake account and troll in every GGG related thread, for sure...

Deontay Boxing Nation, boxing for all colour...

[-Kev-]

The problem is Ward doesn't even need any excuses, his resume speaks for itself. Yet he has to reason why he isn't liked, he has to sit down and think about it, despite him not being outspoken like Floyd, or making silly twitter beef with photoshopped pictures like Kovalev. Imagine if Ward wanted to hype his fight by having someone photoshop Kovalev with a Hitler mustache or something that highlights his race is a negative way (i.e. Stevenson being a monkey). The Ward hate is really not rationally warranted. You just want to come up with excuses for your own hate, stop accusing Ward of coming up with excuses when it is actually blatant that what he says is true. If anything, the media made Ward a little more outspoken, and still the level of talking Ward does is actually just defensive rather than offensive, he defends his career like anyone else would.

[Redd Foxx]

Seems like the one coming with excuses is Ward, the race card as the last one.

Kovalev just talking trash and feel he was robbed.

Most people agrees with him, white or green.

Kovalev ain't no a great guy himself, he doesn't really have fans, but I thought they robbed him 3 belts hardly collected.

People act like Floyd is hated because he's black and Ward is being disrespected with all that "Son of Gift" stuff because he's the black guy.

What about Floyd simply being a total prick and Ward truly getting outboxed in most people eyez?

1) Try reading the article. Nearly everyone ranting against Ward here didn't actually read the article. His stance couldn't be more reasonable.

2) Ward has been catching shyt since loooooong before the Kovalev decision.

[BillyBoxing]

If someone went into work and the white colleagues were praised for showing up at 9:00am whilst the black colleagues grilled for showing up at 9:00, you wouldn't need the employer to say something explicit racist to make a legally actionable claim. The onus would be placed on the employer to show that race isn't at the root of the different reactions.

I feel that the people covering/following boxing are in a similar situation. When you're dealing with Mayweather, you can reasonably say the guy is a prick. When you're dealing with a fighter like Ward and he is juxtaposed with a guy like Kovalev, it is a head scratcher when people hate Ward for his arrogance and bad personality.

Same when it comes down to accomplishments in the ring. Why is the bar set considerably higher for black fighters. They're not allowed to struggle, they're not allowed to lose, they must always fight the best and move north of their division. For white fighters it is enough for them to knockout or school contenders in a weak division.

Ward and Kovalev are different personnalities, Ward is a smart and confident guy but also a kinda fruity and arrogant guy.

Kovalev is seen as a russian idiot but a funny guy and a bas ass.

You're just seeing different colours...I can't blame you.

[Vegemil]

1) Try reading the article. Nearly everyone ranting against Ward here didn't actually read the article. His stance couldn't be more reasonable.

2) Ward has been catching shyt since loooooong before the Kovalev decision.

Nah it can't be that people see headbutts and clinching as dirty fighting. It's 100% race in is matter you know how basically everybody nowadays is a racist right? Remember when people were giving **** to Ward for the Kessler fight? All racism.