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    It was only about 40 years ago that plastic bags became standard at U.S. grocery stores. This also made them standard in sewers, landfills, rivers and the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. They clog drains and cause floods, litter landscapes and kill wildlife. The national movement to get rid of them is gaining steam — with more than 240 cities and counties passing laws that ban or tax them since 2007. New York recently became the second U.S. state to ban them. But these bans may be hurting the environment more than helping it.

    University of Sydney economist Rebecca Taylor started studying bag regulations because it seemed as though every time she moved for a new job — from Washington, D.C., to California to Australia — bag restrictions were implemented shortly after. "Yeah, these policies might be following me," she jokes. Taylor recently published a study of bag regulations in California. It's a classic tale of unintended consequences.

    Paper or plastic?

    Before California banned plastic shopping bags statewide in late 2016, a wave of 139 California cities and counties implemented the policy themselves. Taylor and colleagues compared bag use in cities with bans with those without them. For six months, they spent weekends in grocery stores tallying the types of bags people carried out (she admits these weren't her wildest weekends). She also analyzed these stores' sales data.

    Taylor found these bag bans did what they were supposed to: People in the cities with the bans used fewer plastic bags, which led to about 40 million fewer pounds of plastic trash per year. But people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, 4-gallon bags, which saw a 120 percent increase in sales after bans went into effect.

    Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30 percent of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

    Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions. That said, these bans do reduce nonbiodegradable litter.

    Are tote bags killing us?

    What about reusable cloth bags? We know die-hard public radio fans love them! They've got to be great, right?

    Nope. They can be even worse.

    A 2011 study by the U.K. government found a person would have to reuse a cotton tote bag 131 times before it was better for climate change than using a plastic grocery bag once. The Danish government recently did a study that took into account environmental impacts beyond simply greenhouse gas emissions, including water use, damage to ecosystems and air pollution. These factors make cloth bags even worse. They estimate you would have to use an organic cotton bag 20,000 times more than a plastic grocery bag to make using it better for the environment.

    That said, the Danish government's estimate doesn't take into account the effects of bags littering land and sea, where plastic is clearly the worst offender.

    Stop depressing me. What should we do?

    The most environment-friendly way to carry groceries is to use the same bag over and over again. According to the Danish study, the best reusable ones are made from polyester or plastics like polypropylene. Those still have to be used dozens and dozens of times to be greener than plastic grocery bags, which have the smallest carbon footprint for a single use.

    As for bag policies, Taylor says a fee is smarter than a ban. She has a second paper showing a small fee for bags is just as effective as a ban when it comes to encouraging use of reusable bags. But a fee offers flexibility for people who reuse plastic bags for garbage disposal or dog walking.

    Taylor believes the recent legislation passed in New York is a bad version of the policy. It bans only plastic bags and gives free rein to using paper ones (counties have the option to impose a 5-cent fee on them). Taylor is concerned this will drive up paper use. The best policy, Taylor says, imposes a fee on both paper and plastic bags and encourages reuse.

    This bag research makes public radio's love for tote bags awkward, doesn't it? It might be weird, though, if we started giving out plastic grocery bags.
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  • #2
    We use our bags for small trash can liners and for cat litter, among other things.

    Several years ago when San Francisco banned plastic bags, we figured Austin would follow suit so we started hoarding them.

    Sure enough, Austin followed San Francisco. But we had a big stash, so we were ok short term.

    Before we ran out, the State of a Texas made the city bans illegal, and now stores again have them.

    It's a great example of liberal Democrats taking away a right, and libertarian leaning Republicans giving the people that right back.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
      We use our bags for small trash can liners and for cat litter, among other things.

      Several years ago when San Francisco banned plastic bags, we figured Austin would follow suit so we started hoarding them.

      Sure enough, Austin followed San Francisco. But we had a big stash, so we were ok short term.

      Before we ran out, the State of a Texas made the city bans illegal, and now stores again have them.

      It's a great example of liberal Democrats taking away a right, and libertarian leaning Republicans giving the people that right back.
      The bag ban was a result of knee-jerk reactions to problems that only get worse when they don’t research the chain reaction caused by the ban. In nearly every plastic ban campaign they point to the island of plastic floating in the Pacific, but what they don’t tell you is that nearly none of that plastic comes from the U.S.
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      • #4
        Surprising. A case of one step forward and two steps back. The alternative is do nothing about our environment and we would have no sewers, forest management, hunting regs etc. etc. As long as we learn from our mistakes and don't turn the discussion until a left right battle we can make progress.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TonyGe View Post
          Surprising. A case of one step forward and two steps back. The alternative is do nothing about our environment and we would have no sewers, forest management, hunting regs etc. etc. As long as we learn from our mistakes and don't turn the discussion until a left right battle we can make progress.
          Unfortunately many environmental laws are driven by money and greed. Take a look at who controls the recycling industry in NYC and New Jersey, and how tons of recycling material is just lying in holding areas never to be recycled. The mob is making a killing without ever firing a bullet.

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          • #6
            Tax all plastic that is non biodegradable.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
              Unfortunately many environmental laws are driven by money and greed. Take a look at who controls the recycling industry in NYC and New Jersey, and how tons of recycling material is just lying in holding areas never to be recycled. The mob is making a killing without ever firing a bullet.
              I agree in some cases it's all about lining pockets.

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              • #8
                Plastic is bad, but decisions made in haste can be worse, and this is what we see now
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                  Tax all plastic that is non biodegradable.
                  Seems to me that plastic is being phased out all over the place.... even straws.
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                  • #10
                    I knew it was not that simple. But I still think it’s better not to use plastic bags all the time because they create so much garbage, and using cloth shopping bags does make sense.
                    Of course, using wholesale cheap plastic bags of all sizes is necessary for everyday life. Banning them can do more harm than benefit, but we must start somewhere. At the same time, these environmental laws, just like all the others, are driven by money, and they would not have been implemented if they were not convenient and profitable to big businesses. I don’t think the government would risk contradicting them because they own too much.I knew it was not that simple. But I still think it’s better not to use plastic bags all the time because they create so much garbage, and using cloth shopping bags does make sense.
                    Last edited by AlfredaBerta; 09-01-2022, 01:51 PM.
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