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Old 12-04-2020, 06:27 PM #61
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Old 12-04-2020, 07:23 PM #62
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Arcel was probably the biggest Dempsey fanboy ever, and his hyperbolic tellings of Jack's greatness should be taken with a grain of salt.

That Tunney had his own reasons for talking up Dempsey is surely only too obvious!

As for Stillman watching Dempsey ko'ing Galento with the hardest punch he ever saw... well, that simply never happened! Just one of boxing's many myths.
Who are your sources? More anonymous tales form the beyond?
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Old 12-04-2020, 07:51 PM #63
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Who are your sources? More anonymous tales form the beyond?
If Dempsey had actually knocked Galento cold with one mighty punch, 7 years after his retirement... it would no doubt have been headline news at the time!

But it wasn't, as it was just a case of Dempsey stepping into the ring to give Galento som pointers, and show him how it was done.

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Bundana has the San Jose News and The Evening Independent, here's a third for your candy; The Bismark Tribune

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Now and
then life gets sort of thick and bother
some for William Harrison Dempsey
and when the old champion gets to
feeling that way he's liable to cause
some one trouble.
He's bothered now. and the fellow
who has all the proof of what he
needs is Tony Galento, a veritable
monster of a heavyweight, though most
of it is about his waistline.
Dempsey was just saying Monday
that he hasn't had a real night's sleep
in five nights what with keeping ready
every moment to rush over to the
Polyclinic hospital where Mrs. Demp
sey is expecting a baby any time now.
So Jack thought he'd take his mind
off all his cares for a few moments
and see how Galento, a pretty good
heavyweight, was getting along in his
workout at Stillman's gymnasium.
Galento. in whom Dempsey Is inter
ested, was doing just fair.
He called for a set of ring tights
and a shirt and he tied on the heavy
gloves.
"Now I'll show you.” he said.
"When you throw a left hook, make it
short . . . like this!"
Dempsey's fist disappeared in Gla
ento's abdomen and Tony looked a
little sick. This went on for two
rounds of two minutes each. At the
end the Newark heavyweight's lips
were split and he was backing up all
over the place.
Dempsey patted his
shoulder and climbed out of there.
*1 feel a lot better,” he said.



Far from a KO


Like I told you Ghost, source material beats boot licking. I like what CBZ has done right but a lot of their **** is in the same vein as Nat himself. Plagiarism and lies to help sell their glorification books. Even their lineal list is ****.
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Old 12-04-2020, 08:57 PM #65
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The teens and twenty’s were a very racist time. The history of Dempsey Wills is very well known history. The best books regarding Dempsey put little blame upon him. Those that controlled the sport and even more important our elected officials did not want a mixed race bout in the heavyweight division for fear of race riots like those that occurred post Johnson Jeffries.

Dempsey himself stated that those who publicly seemed to push the bout to occur were telling Dempsey it was not going to happen.

Three quotes reveal Dempseys greatness. He was a far more skilled fighter than either Marciano or Frazier for that matter:

Sam Langford:
“Dempsey is the greatest fighter I have ever seen.”

Jack Sharkey:
“I never thought anyone could hit that hard. He came at you in a little ball and when he hit your shoulder he broke your shoulder. When he hit you to the body it felt like his fist was coming out your back. When he hit your hip he dislocated your hip.”

Jersey Jones (fighter 50-4, promoter, writer, manager):
“He was mean and determined. At his peak Jack Dempsey was the most dynamic and devastating heavyweight this commentator has ever seen. Jack had speed, strength, better than average boxing skills, lusty punching power and a blazing spirit.”

Comments by Arcel, Schmeling, Fleischer (who attended thousands of bouts all over the world), Tunney, and dozens others are “window dressing”. The comments from Langford and Sharkey, if your being honest, should be all you need. But how about a modern critical Video analysis:

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Old 12-04-2020, 09:45 PM #66
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If Dempsey had actually knocked Galento cold with one mighty punch, 7 years after his retirement... it would no doubt have been headline news at the time!

But it wasn't, as it was just a case of Dempsey stepping into the ring to give Galento som pointers, and show him how it was done.

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That captures one day, and he said he would be back again. Im still inclined to believe Arcel, Stilman, and several others who witnessed the ass whooping.
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Bundana has the San Jose News and The Evening Independent, here's a third for your candy; The Bismark Tribune

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Now and
then life gets sort of thick and bother
some for William Harrison Dempsey
and when the old champion gets to
feeling that way he's liable to cause
some one trouble.
He's bothered now. and the fellow
who has all the proof of what he
needs is Tony Galento, a veritable
monster of a heavyweight, though most
of it is about his waistline.
Dempsey was just saying Monday
that he hasn't had a real night's sleep
in five nights what with keeping ready
every moment to rush over to the
Polyclinic hospital where Mrs. Demp
sey is expecting a baby any time now.
So Jack thought he'd take his mind
off all his cares for a few moments
and see how Galento, a pretty good
heavyweight, was getting along in his
workout at Stillman's gymnasium.
Galento. in whom Dempsey Is inter
ested, was doing just fair.
He called for a set of ring tights
and a shirt and he tied on the heavy
gloves.
"Now I'll show you.” he said.
"When you throw a left hook, make it
short . . . like this!"
Dempsey's fist disappeared in Gla
ento's abdomen and Tony looked a
little sick. This went on for two
rounds of two minutes each. At the
end the Newark heavyweight's lips
were split and he was backing up all
over the place.
Dempsey patted his
shoulder and climbed out of there.
*1 feel a lot better,” he said.



Far from a KO


Like I told you Ghost, source material beats boot licking. I like what CBZ has done right but a lot of their **** is in the same vein as Nat himself. Plagiarism and lies to help sell their glorification books. Even their lineal list is ****.
Who wrote the article? Ah, another anonymous source. You didn’t even bother to read my post, so I won’t waste too much time responding. I provide names and you provide anonymous sources. We’ve already touched upon the liberties taken in the press, especially during an era before fact checking and video proof.
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Jack Sharkey:
I never thought anyone could hit that hard. He came at you in a little ball and when he hit your shoulder he broke your shoulder. When he hit you to the body it felt like his fist was coming out your back. When he hit your hip he dislocated your hip.
Can you give us some examples of fights, where Dempsey broke an opponent's shoulder or dislocated his hip?
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If I have to explain that quote suggest you go back and finish high school.
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If I have to explain that quote suggest you go back and finish high school.
Nothing to explain... just tell us when Dempsey broke shoulders and dislocated hips.
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