You need to STOP with the "eye test" BS. You're doing fighters a disservice.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Fighters lose fights. Even great fighters lose. More breaking news at 11.

It's not about losing. It's about WHO you lost to and HOW.

Manny Pacquiao getting KO'd by Marquez didn't drop his stock. It was a perfectly timed punch and Manny had already been dropped.

But Manny losing to Jeff Horn DID drop his stock, because he ducked a rematch when he got called out.

Michael Spinks has NO shame in losing to Mike Tyson - a Mike Tyson who was likely coked up at the time. His shame came when he quit after that loss despite still being a prime, quality fighter that could have gone on to do great things.

Lomachenko should have rematched Salido. Period. You can make up all the excuses about paydays and all that, but the fact is, Loma moved on. Yet that loss will remain with him and until he beats a caliber fighter like those I mentioned - and there aren't many of them left - he's a fighter that looks good yet beat nobody of note.

Terence Crawford was a superb light welter. For some reason, that hasn't translated to welterweight. That shouldn't be acceptable to him. If that means signing with PBC to get those fights (since you KNOW that's where the welters are at), you do it. Instead, he did what Manny did and signed with Arum knowing he wouldn't get quality fights. We saw what happened with Manny.

[Mister Wolf]

Back in the day before Prescott, everyone was talking about this exciting, amazing Olympic fighter with blistering speed. This guy's going to give Manny Pacquiao a run for his money!! ...based only on how he looked in the ring. The Prescott KO was an absolute shock. Go back to the news articles bro, I remember it clear as day.

You going to pretend Khan wasn't getting his bell rung before Presscott? Maybe he passed your eye test but he certainly didn't pass the World's eye test.



Vs a domestic nobody. Same overhand right he always gets hit with. You overrated Khan because you couldn't see the writing on the wall. Live with it.

[Longhaul]

Remember when Amir Khan passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then Prescott happened.

Remember when Michael Spinks passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then Tyson happened.

Remember when Naseem Hamed passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then American/Mexican fighters with a pulse happened.

Remember when Lucas Matthysse passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then Danny Garcia happened.

Remember when Jermell Charlo passed everyone "eye test"?

Then Tony Harrison happened.

Remember when Deontay Wilder passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then Tyson Fury happened.

Remember when Jeff 'Lights Out' Lacy passed everyone's "eye test"?

Then Joe Calslappy happened.


It's time to stop doing that. STOP. There's one measure that matters: "Did the guy beat NAMED, PPV drawing, Hall of Fame quality fighters CLEARLY, and how many of them?"

Lomachenko cannot say that about anyone he fought except Rigondeaux, two weight classes up. Even Loma himself doesn't rate the win.

Crawford can't say that about anyone he fought except Gamboa, even now, and that's a stretch.

Both those guys are in their 30's.

Canelo's early resume is padded by a lot of no-hopers, and I'm not even looking at that. I'm looking at what he did over the last decade. He's had 18 fights where the level of opposition he faced was not only superior to Loma and Crawford, they were superior to the opponents of those two by far. Canelo only ever lost to The Best to Ever do it, but even if you set that aside.


Let's ask ourselves. If Timothy Bradley came back and fought Loma at 140, do you seriously think Loma has a chance at beating him?

If Tim Bradley got over his "buddy" mantra and faced Crawford at 140, do you seriously think Crawford walks through him? I'm not sure he beats Crawford, but he would be made to look average by Tim, for one main reason: resume. Tim's resume EVEN NOW blows Crawford's out the water.


Resume. WHO DID YOU FIGHT, WHO DID YOU BEAT, and are they PPV caliber opposition? If you did lose, did you go down looking like a champion? Did you only ever lose to top tier, top flight? Did you beat future Hall of Famers?

I can say that about Tim Bradley.
I can say that about Canelo Alvarez.
I can say that about Jeff Horn, even.

I can't say that about Terence Crawford.
I can't say that about Vasiliy Lomachenko.

I'd like to. I can't. And until I see those guys fight that caliber of talent, there's simply no way they are above Canelo Alvarez.

You lost me at Spinks pal .Could not read on after that.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Tf does Timothy Bradley have to do with all this?

Tim Bradley is the closest measuring stick to both guys where he's a guy who holds wins over Hall of Famers. So he's a good comparison point in terms of fight quality and opposition.

Answer the question. Do you seriously believe Loma OR Crawford walk through Tim Bradley?

[Combat Talk Radio]

You going to pretend Khan wasn't getting his bell rung before Presscott? Maybe he passed your eye test but he certainly didn't pass the World's eye test.



Vs a domestic nobody. Same overhand right he always gets hit with. You overrated Khan because you couldn't see the writing on the wall. Live with it.

I didn't overrate him, I didn't see anything special when he debuted or after. The KO was a shock but not because of anything about Khan, it was more how quick it happened.

I'm talking the media bro. GO BACK TO THE FIGHT. Listen to them call that a "major upset" and all this and that.

[lizard_man]

Triad theory doesn't work, according to NSB.

Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn holds a UNANIMOUS decision victory over Manny Pacquiao.

DO you know who else holds a UNANIMOUS decision victory over Manny Pacquiao?

Erik Morales. Hall of Famer.
Floyd Mayweather. Hall of Famer.

Meanwhile Jeff Horn beat the guy (Ali Funeka) that beat the guy (Zahir Raheem) that beat that same Erik Morales fresh off Morales beating Manny Pacquiao UNANIMOUS.

Meanwhile Jeff Horn beat Randall Bailey, the same Randall Bailey once considered the most dangerous puncher in the sport next to George Foreman.

Meanwhile Jeff Horn retired another Hall of Famer in Anthony Mundine.

Again, it's WHO he beat. Crawford has NO win that compares EXCEPT Horn - and that win has an asterisk because the fight got delayed over a suspicious hand injury by Crawford, Horn wasn't ever hurt and he was stopped on his feet.



Back in the day before Prescott, everyone was talking about this exciting, amazing Olympic fighter with blistering speed. This guy's going to give Manny Pacquiao a run for his money!! ...based only on how he looked in the ring. The Prescott KO was an absolute shock. Go back to the news articles bro, I remember it clear as day.

You contradict yourself again. You say "triad theories" don't work.
Then you rate horns win against Ali funeka because he beat zahir raheem who beat a prime morales.

Time to stop posting dude


You have an agenda and it's painfully obvious

[Combat Talk Radio]

You lost me at Spinks pal .Could not read on after that.

It's cool to duck facts bro

[Combat Talk Radio]

You contradict yourself again. You say "triad theories" don't work.
Then you rate horns win against Ali funeka because he beat zahir raheem who beat a prime morales.

Time to stop posting dude


You have an agenda and it's painfully obvious

That's not a triad.

A triad is "Fighter A beats Fighter C because Fighter C lost to Fighter B, and Fighter A beat Fighter B"

So an ironic example:

"Crawford beats Manny because Crawford beat Horn who beat Manny"

Now, we all know that's not true, because even if Crawford hadn't gotten his suspect Horn victory, Manny Pacquiao would land more consistently than Khan did - and Khan was landing plenty on Crawford. I think we all know how that goes.

[lizard_man]

That's not a triad.

A triad is "Fighter A beats Fighter C because Fighter C lost to Fighter B, and Fighter A beat Fighter B"

So an ironic example:

"Crawford beats Manny because Crawford beat Horn who beat Manny"

Now, we all know that's not true, because even if Crawford hadn't gotten his suspect Horn victory, Manny Pacquiao would land more consistently than Khan did - and Khan was landing plenty on Crawford. I think we all know how that goes.

It's a triad in the sense of your ranking of fighters

Hall of fame morales(D) losses to zahir(C) funeka(B) beats zahir(C).

Horn(A) beats (B) so that to you means (A) gets the credibility of the (D) loss
so it's a rated win according to you and you rate horn for it even though funeka isnt rated

[lizard_man]

You're giving Horn the credit of Raheem beating a prime Morales


Time to log off man