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Old 05-17-2019, 02:37 AM #32641
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The evidence regarding obstruction of justice.
The Demorats are guilty of just about everything that they are accusing Trump of. ……...Rockin'
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:39 AM #32642
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That may be true. I didn't think that was the discussion here. You should start a thread and post up the facts!
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:19 AM #32643
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Of course. The only reason that court cases were brought up is because another person here said something like Trump was completely innocent due to a lack of evidence.

The only point on this matter was that a lack of evidence wouldn't prove him completely innocent even if it were in court, and certainly we can't say that he is completely innocent or that there was an exoneration.

It's the POTUS that has been saying it and has you guys mimicking him. Most others looking at things rationally realize that the POTUS in the least misspoke and in the most, lied.
I think everyone trying to use legal terms like guilty, innocent, exonerate are misspeaking. It has not been established that a crime has been committed. As far as lying, I'd say the ones pushing this whole collusion narrative were/are the ones lying. So sure, Trump misspoke by using the term exonerate, insofar as nothing has been established that he would need to be exonerated for.

If this is a Law & Order episode, we don't have a verdict. We haven't made it to preliminary hearings. No lineup, no suspects, hell, the cops haven't even put up the yellow crime scene tape... Yet we're talking about guilt or innocence
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:19 AM #32644
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Not that it really matters because we already know Trump is a crook with an AG protecting him & nothing will be done about it.

If you understand they can do nothing, why the hell do yo keep typing and pasting. Time for you to do something useful. Maybe your depression will end in 6 years
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:48 AM #32645
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If you understand they can do nothing, why the hell do yo keep typing and pasting. Time for you to do something useful. Maybe your depression will end in 6 years
Only 6 more years, their buttholes should heal by then.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:06 AM #32646
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I think everyone trying to use legal terms like guilty, innocent, exonerate are misspeaking. It has not been established that a crime has been committed.
Right. And it hasn't been established that a crime wasn't committed yet. That is all according to Mueller.

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As far as lying, I'd say the ones pushing this whole collusion narrative were/are the ones lying. So sure, Trump misspoke by using the term exonerate, insofar as nothing has been established that he would need to be exonerated for.
From what I'm aware of, the report doesn't make a determination on collusion because it has no legal definition and it's not a federal crime. However, the report shows what seems like attempts from people on Trumps team to "collude" with Russians.

So I think saying that anyone who accuses him of collusion is lying is a bit premature. Besides. If he obstructed justice, you'd have to ask yourself what was his purpose in doing so? To cover up collusion? Who knows.

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If this is a Law & Order episode, we don't have a verdict. We haven't made it to preliminary hearings. No lineup, no suspects, hell, the cops haven't even put up the yellow crime scene tape... Yet we're talking about guilt or innocence
I think you might be trying to downplay things a bit too much now. There was an investigation that resulted in...what...a 400 page report? That's something. It's just a matter of whether unbiased people will be allowed to review it completely to find out what's what now.
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Is it true Trump doesn't know what a trade deficet is and also that he lost $11,000 a day between 1985 and 1994 ?
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Is it true Trump doesn't know what a trade deficet is and also that he lost $11,000 a day between 1985 and 1994 ?
I don't know what a trade deficet is either.
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Right. And it hasn't been established that a crime wasn't committed yet. That is all according to Mueller.



From what I'm aware of, the report doesn't make a determination on collusion because it has no legal definition and it's not a federal crime. However, the report shows what seems like attempts from people on Trumps team to "collude" with Russians.

So I think saying that anyone who accuses him of collusion is lying is a bit premature. Besides. If he obstructed justice, you'd have to ask yourself what was his purpose in doing so? To cover up collusion? Who knows.



I think you might be trying to downplay things a bit too much now. There was an investigation that resulted in...what...a 400 page report? That's something. It's just a matter of whether unbiased people will be allowed to review it completely to find out what's what now.
So, if collusion isn't a crime, what crime are we talking about when you say, "it hasn't been determined that a crime has been committed"? And if collusion isn't a crime, then what have they been investigating for 2 years? What they was planning to impeach him on? Why they been telling me all this time about "walls closing in... turning point... beginning of the end"? Are we really talking about guilt or innocence over something that isn't legally defined, and isn't a crime?

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. The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government
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