Roy Jones vs Michael Nunn

[Toney616]

Physical Attributes:
Power: Jones
Handspeed: Jones
Footwork: Nunn
Reach:Nunn

Technical Attributes:
Defense: Jones
Offense: lead-Nunn/counterpunching-Jones
Jab: Nunn

Other:
Intangibles:Equal

Blueprint fight:
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Weight: 164 lbs

[coghaugen]

They both had great speed but Nunn was better-founded - never off-balance, incredibly smooth and flowing.

Nunn also had the height and reach advantage and was a southpaw. He also had a southpaw left uppercut from the outside that he threw from the shoulder with good power, great accuracy and difficult to telegraph the way it came from underneath - it was also very frequent. That punch would be very difficult for Jones with the way Jones stood.

I think Nunn had faster hands in many ways. Jones's hand speed from the outside was a single lead right, and at close-range was a treble or quadruple left hook and occasional lifting uppercut. At mid-range he didn't have great hand speed because it was more of a jumping little hook or jumping little uppercut that was more awkward than anything. Nunn threw much longer punches, in combination, and the hand speed was blurring.

Let's also consider Jones would never have come across a right jab as busy, legs as busy or upper body as elusive.

All factors point to Nunn.

Nunn UD.

[physiker]

If Toney did to Nunn what he did, prime RJJ would likely have also.

[coghaugen]

If Toney did to Nunn what he did, prime RJJ would likely have also.

Jones couldn't throw a left hook with his feet on the canvas like the left hook Toney threw to take down Nunn.

FWIW Nunn completely dominated Toney far more impressively than Jones did. Jones wouldn't stand with Toney and was out of range a lot on the move (beat a severely weight-drained Toney athletically), whereas Nunn just stood right in front of him in the middle of the ring and totally outboxed him with skill and talent.

[JAB5239]

Jones couldn't throw a left hook with his feet on the canvas like the left hook Toney threw to take down Nunn.

FWIW Nunn completely dominated Toney far more impressively than Jones did. Jones wouldn't stand with Toney and was out of range a lot on the move (beat a severely weight-drained Toney athletically), whereas Nunn just stood right in front of him in the middle of the ring and totally outboxed him with skill and talent.

Nunn totally dominated him so much he got knocked out.

[coghaugen]

Nunn totally dominated him so much he got knocked out.

Up until then, obviously.

[JAB5239]

Up until then, obviously.

There is an old saying, "It ain't over till it's over". If he was dominating he wouldn't have gotten knocked out. Now Nunn may have been winning, but he certainly wasn't in the same command Roy was in when he fought Toney.

[coghaugen]

But he easily could've been had he boxed his usual fight on the back foot, using the ring.

I made the point that Nunn stood in front of Toney to prove a point.

Jones didn't.

[physiker]

Jones couldn't throw a left hook with his feet on the canvas like the left hook Toney threw to take down Nunn.

FWIW Nunn completely dominated Toney far more impressively than Jones did. Jones wouldn't stand with Toney and was out of range a lot on the move (beat a severely weight-drained Toney athletically), whereas Nunn just stood right in front of him in the middle of the ring and totally outboxed him with skill and talent.

Worth=zero, given what happened in the fight.

[jabsRstiff]

Michael Nunn did not dominate James Toney. Go watch the fight again. From the 7th round on, Toney began clocking Nunn with counter rights, and landed more and more of them with each passing round until the KO.

Nunn did outbox Toney for 6 rounds, but that's it. That, is not domination.

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