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Old 02-25-2020, 10:48 PM #41
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And that has absolutely nothing to do with Usyk's WBO mandatory position after being undisputed champion and moving up as per their rules.

You said "Only in some political world does a guy remain a mandatory after looking like crap. Usyk needs to beat somebody up, somebody besides Belloo."

Do you now see how stupid that comment was? You think someone should lose their mandatory because they won a fight (absolutely no controversy with the decision) because you weren't happy with the style of their win. That makes zero sense, do better.
What is stupid? He got the position for his achievements, he can lose it for non achievements. I don't care if he gets his shot, he won't beat Hearns percentages.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:00 PM #42
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In the real world, Usyk is the WBO mandatory, irrespective of what you think about him.
Yeah but he has a fraction of Fury’s fans and holds no belts so mandatory (paperwork) or not, he’s not even close to the fight people want to see.

In the background it is really about Haymon vs Hearn and Haymon will win every time. You’ll get your Usyk fight at some point because Haymon will hold up the unification until he is 100% convinced AJ has no chance of picking up the belts. Haymon does not want Hearn holding those belts hostage, he has a big stable of HW’s and a network in Europe that could shut out the US for years.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:20 PM #43
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Please stop trolling. I never said Hearn could force Joshua to vacate. I never said vacating didn't benefit Joshua. If Joshua is definitely fighting Usyk after Pulev, Joshua vs. Usyk is a bigger fight as a unification instead of a mandatory defense. If there's no rematch clause vs. Pulev, Joshua benefits from Matchroom still having an in house title, as opposed to all four belts being out of Matchroom control.




Joshua and Whyte couldn't agree on the financial split in the rematch in the event Whyte won the first fight. Hearn can't force Joshua to fight anybody. He can only block him from fighting people.





Yes he is. Matchroom has Joshua under an exclusive promotional agreement. Joshua works for Matchroom, Matchroom doesn't work for Joshua. The manager works for the fighter. The fighter works for the promoter. That is how boxing has worked for a long long time. A lot of PBC fighters are self promoted, hiring an outside promoter to assist them on a fight by fight basis, but Joshua has the more traditional set up for his career.
PBC fighters are self promoted .. yeah, like Jermall Charlo, who bragged about being his own promoter, then confirmed he'd had an offer from Hearn and said he'd "forward it straight to Al, command HQ" and been told not to respond.
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Hearn doesn't have that kind of master/slave relationship with his fighters.

He and AJ have a mutually agreed business arrangement. You could as well say that Eddie is contracted to AJBXNG Group - AJ's management and promotion company - as AJ is contracted to Matchroom.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:24 PM #44
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Yeah but he has a fraction of Fury’s fans and holds no belts so mandatory (paperwork) or not, he’s not even close to the fight people want to see.

In the background it is really about Haymon vs Hearn and Haymon will win every time. You’ll get your Usyk fight at some point because Haymon will hold up the unification until he is 100% convinced AJ has no chance of picking up the belts. Haymon does not want Hearn holding those belts hostage, he has a big stable of HW’s and a network in Europe that could shut out the US for years.
Shit .. you people really have lost all touch with reality.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:43 PM #45
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PBC fighters are self promoted
Some are, some aren't.


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yeah, like Jermall Charlo, who bragged about being his own promoter, then confirmed he'd had an offer from Hearn and said he'd "forward it straight to Al, command HQ" and been told not to respond.
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The Charlos are self-promoted. Charlo received an offer, so he forwarded it to his advisor and asked for advice. His advisor gave him advice, which is his job.


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Hearn doesn't have that kind of master/slave relationship with his fighters.
You invent scenarios in your head that don't exist. Haymon works for Charlo. Charlo pays Haymon for the work Haymon does for him. Haymon has a fiduciary duty to Charlo.

On the other hand, Hearn has no fiduciary duty to Joshua. Joshua works for Hearn. Hearn pays Joshua for the work Joshua does for him.

I'm actually a licensed boxing promoter. I'm explaining to you how things work. If you don't like how things work, that's not my problem.
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If fans had a memory that last more than 10 mins, it would be awkward for Warren to promote Joshua-Fury fight. Kinda ludicrous to claim the best heavyweight in the world fights spoiled goods in the one of the biggest unification fights in history. Not that the fight would need any selling...

I don't expect to see this fight in 2020. I'm sure Warren and Arum would want to marinate it a bit, Eddie is less patient
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:45 AM #47
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What does my comment have to do with Wilder, you UK pu55y?
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Old 02-26-2020, 02:58 AM #48
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Fury took 3 yrs off to drink and take drugs but he's not spoiled goods, AJ loses one fight and he is?

.....Frank, stfu mate.
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Old 02-26-2020, 03:13 AM #49
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All this talk is pointless.Until someone like D.D. or Joe joyce come through of which I have my doubts they will, then going on what we've seen so far and given that Usyk is small and untested there is only only one guy who's not been beaten or embarrassed . like Joshua , Wilder ,Whyte , Pulev all KTFO ... it's
the Gypsy King ....the fact t is there's only one that stands alone and will pick them off either by KO or a massive points win is he.Trying to put any of these pretenders there is ludicrous and if or until Tyson slips up there's really very little serious discussion.
Tyson's boxing brain and public plan to come forward and give it to Wilder was crazy good.I thought going to the Kronk would lead him in to trouble with the big hitting fast Wilder and it was just the opposite.It was a little different from Joshua in trouble in the corner asking his trainer 'what's he going to do next'!...worlds apart!!!
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Fury will lose against Joshua if he attempts to in-fight. The best he can do to get a win is to box.
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