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Old 02-12-2020, 11:48 AM #1
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Default How come short heavyweights aren't as dominate as they used to be?

What happened to fighters such as Tyson, Tua, Mercer, Holyfield, Frazier, Marciano ruling the division?
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:01 PM #2
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I think 250 pounds heavy and taller/rangier fighters found a way to outbox them from the outside and also make use of their size as well.

And many guys that are 220 pounds heavy and shorter, are competing at CW. There was a time where you had to make 190 for CW. Now that has moved to 200, allowing Tyson like physiques to compete there.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:42 PM #3
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Their era started to end around Lennox Lewis' time, the Klitschko's enforced it.

If you are tall, heavy, have a jab and know how to tie up and defend inside...... no one 6" to 6,3" should beat you.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:48 PM #4
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There would be more classical heavyweights in the division if? The cruiser-weight division was moved back to the 190 pound limit etc

And I think they would by in large start to dominate.

Note: I would not class Andy Ruiz Junior, Parker, Chisora or Whyte as super-heavyweights when analyzing their dimensions 'Neither is Deontay Wilder'. To qualify as a super-heavyweight you have to be 6"5+ and 240-250 pounds + etc

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Old 02-12-2020, 01:06 PM #5
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No one very good that fits the bill. When there's hardly a HW in shape let alone talented and in shape why they don't come in all sorts of body types is already answered by the state of the division.

Short guys now are fat, slow, plodders with no real talents to speak of. Whyte or Ruiz are probably the best of them and both those guys can be beaten with feet.
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:36 PM #6
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Um, only really Tyson, Marciano, and Frazier really fit the bill as being "dominant" little guys.

Evander Holyfield's 6'2" how is that short?

Ray Mercer & David Tua never dominated anything
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:46 PM #7
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Like any sport they adapt ,the bigger guys started going to boxing and are more athletic now. Boxing was very fortunate to have a guys like Lewis and the the Klitschko brothers despite the detractors . It’s evolved and you see that with guys over 6”5 now where it’s not uncommon to have giant athletic fighters even including Wilder to his own way .

The smaller guy has to work very hard because boxers are not just fighters today they are athletes more then ever before and fighting a giant is never easy they usually dominate even if they lose here and there ,the eras prove that beyond a Mike Tyson when guys weren’t the huge brutes they are now,maybe more skilled on average though in the forgotten 80”s era .

I think the biggest difference is the weight not height ,most of the dominating guys are over 240 pounds .

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Old 02-12-2020, 08:02 PM #8
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The competition got taller, rangier and bigger.
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:07 PM #9
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Um, only really Tyson, Marciano, and Frazier really fit the bill as being "dominant" little guys.

Evander Holyfield's 6'2" how is that short?

Ray Mercer & David Tua never dominated anything
When your fighting Riddick Bowe type guy’s Holyfield looks like he’s two classes down . It’s easy to see ,the thread is not selective guys it’s why the average smaller fighter isn’t dominating and it’s because most eras were dominated by the bigger heavyweight in most cases and when they fought much bigger guys the skilllevel was not comparable,today it is .

Example is Joe Louis was nearly 6”3 ,a giant for his day compared to guys that posed a threat to him .
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:12 PM #10
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Marciano would be a light heavyweight if he was fighting today.
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