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  • #11
    Originally posted by boliodogs View Post
    He doesn't need a pass because he was winning the fight and wasn't tiring. Lewis was the one who was tiring and on the way to getting knocked out when the fight was stopped because of the bad cut. Lewis turned down a big money rematch and retired instead. Lewis cut Vitali with legal blows so he won the fight fair and square. That's boxing. It's a good thing for Lewis that he did open up that large cut. If he hadn't been cut I am sure Vitali would have soon KOd Lewis as he was hurting him many times and things looked very bad for Lewis. No pass required for Vitali.
    ........... ludicrous claim, he was stumbling all over the ring and gasping for breath sat in the corner.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View Post
      Both were tired but Lewis still had power on his punches, Vitali had none.
      You saw a different fight than I saw, bias Englishman. Lewis was the one getting staggered and wobbling around from Vitali's powerful punches. Just call him lucky Lewis that the fight was stopped saving him from a KO defeat. Vitali has never been knocked down in his entire career while Lewis has been knocked out twice.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by boliodogs View Post
        You saw a different fight than I saw, bias Englishman. Lewis was the one getting staggered and wobbling around from Vitali's powerful punches. Just call him lucky Lewis that the fight was stopped saving him from a KO defeat. Vitali has never been knocked down in his entire career while Lewis has been knocked out twice.
        The end of round 6 is in the opening post. Who's landing hard punches and who's desperately trying to hold?

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        • #14
          Doesnt really matter what some of you self proclaimed boxing gurus think in the end. Vitali, Lewis and Joshua were and are heavyweight champions at the end of the day. They all fought with heart and almost always delivered a good if not exciting fight.

          What have you done besides try and nit pick the careers of world class fighters?

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          • #15
            He only had 10 days to prepare.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
              He only had 10 days to prepare.
              He was training to fight on the undercard. He had the same time as Lewis.

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              • #17
                I like how people defend Lewis with the most emotional responses possible. Been going on like that for years.

                (not referring to TS, BTW)

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Cutthroat View Post
                  When so much is made about AJ gassing vs Wlad? I'm no AJ fan but the double standards here are clear and laughable. 6 rounds into their fight both men were DEAD tired with Lewis coming on stronger. Vitali does have a much higher work rate than AJ but his punches don't do half the damage.

                  -Lewis was 256lbs, the WORST shape of his entire career.
                  -He'd been violently KO'd 2 years earlier by Rahman.
                  -He hadn't fought in a year since Tyson and gained 7lbs of pure fat since then.
                  -Took the fight on 2 weeks notice

                  -Vitali was already 32 years old with 7 years pro experience and 33 fights.


                  Meanwhile...

                  -Wlad was 240lbs, his BEST and lightest condition since 2009.
                  -1.5 years earlier he was a huge favorite to beat Fury at -500
                  -Picked up one of his best career wins over Pulev in late 2014
                  -Had a full training camp to prepare

                  -AJ was 27 years old with 3.5 years pro experience and 18 fights.



                  This was Vitali gassed badly at the end of the 6th with Lewis coming on strong from the 3rd round. All Vitali could do for 80% of this round was hold, the man was DONE.




                  I'm a Wladimir Klitschko fan and I've never had problems with heavyweights of such size being tired in heavyweight bouts during the late rounds. It's expected! Not once have I unfairly criticized Anthony Joshua for getting slightly tired against Wlad.

                  However, you are cherry picking specific gifs to prove a single point. Both boxers had their moments of success and problems. In that specific instance, Lewis had the upper hand. However, Vitali Klitschko had the upper hand for more parts of the bout. Hence, he was up on the score card.

                  Also, it is totally speculative that AJ's punches inflict more damage than Vitali's as well.



                  Lewis was 256lbs, the WORST shape of his entire career.
                  "Lewis chubbiness helped to withstand Vitali's attacks"


                  -He'd been violently KO'd 2 years earlier by Rahman.
                  "Vitali retired Lewis" > those other feats!


                  He hadn't fought in a year since Tyson and gained 7lbs of pure fat since then.
                  "A long time to heal wounds. He may have been more healthy and refreshed than ever."

                  Took the fight on 2 weeks notice
                  So did Vitali!


                  -Vitali was already 32 years old with 7 years pro experience and 33 fights.
                  "Whatever he was, he was definitely LESS experienced"



                  Wlad was 240lbs, his BEST and lightest condition since 2009.
                  Wlad was also 41 years old with nearly 2 decades of mileage from training camps, sparring and boxing bouts (69 of them).

                  Plus, it's totally arbitrary to claim that 240 pounds specifically is Wladimir Klitschko's BEST weight. Wlad weighed 241 pounds many times after 2010.


                  1.5 years earlier he was a huge favorite to beat Fury at -500
                  Doesn't change the fact that Wlad reached an age when most other heavyweights were retired or were losing, never mind them beating the next best possible opponents that are younger by over a decade.


                  Picked up one of his best career wins over Pulev in late 2014
                  Which was predominantly based on Pulev not performing at his best, by being too emotional and excited during the bout (because both of them had personal issues with each other before the bout). Thus, the win was more down to Pulev not performing as well as he could, rather than Wlad doing anything too special himself.

                  -Had a full training camp to prepare
                  Doesn't change the fact that Wlad reached an age when most other heavyweights were retired or were losing, never mind them beating the next best possible opponents that are younger by over a decade.

                  AJ was 27 years old with 3.5 years pro experience and 18 fights.
                  Historically, it's been proven that the best future heavyweight boxer is more likely to beat a 40+ year old former champion / best heavyweight than vice versa. Thus, Joshua's win goes by the norm. Whilst Wlad's loss is of the norm too.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View Post
                    He was training to fight on the undercard. He had the same time as Lewis.
                    Undercard vs the greatest title in sports. Big difference.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Redd Foxx View Post
                      I like how people defend Lewis with the most emotional responses possible. Been going on like that for years.

                      (not referring to TS, BTW)
                      It may be because Vitali was a great prime name to have on the record. Not like the over-the-hill shells of great fighters also on lummox’s record.

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