Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager Doubts Joshua Fight Will Happen in 2019

[Noelanthony]

Wilder doesn’t need Joshua. All Finkel has to ask is are you sending us a flat fee? And if they say yeah, just end the convo forever. They don’t know how to negotiate in good faith. Cowards don’t negotiate because cowards are cowards.

It’s ok for you to say that sitting in the comforts of your home but Wilder has a career to think about and a family to feed.

Stop speaking emotionally. You take things personally. Wilder is in a perfect position . He will beat Fury and the World will demand the fight. You can’t be irrational at the business table.

The U.K. fans have spoken they have already voted for Wilder as of now to make the Whyte fight in April there will have to be a catastrophe in communications / negotiations for U.K. fans, talk less of American fans to accept anyone other than Wilder. However, Team Wilder have to play ball and not throw their toys out the pram like you

[Laligalaliga]

Sense being spoken for once.

Even if Wilder beats the fat coke head - he is still the B side. Many people have elevated Fury to some kind of hw Sugar Ray - he will get destroyed by either Wlider or AJ. How his stock has risen after two glorified sparring sessions against nobodies.

As for Wilder, he has the better negotiator in Finkel it seems, who is stubbornly refusing to engage in any meaningful / realistic talks.

If people were reasonable, I’d say 60/40 AJ and rematch in USA if Wilder wins and then he gets 60/40. That should be do-able for both, and is a generous offer for Wilder.

Giving fury a rematch shows that they were never interested in the fight.

It will be a disaster if Fury pulls an upset twice against wilder. That will automatically make him irrelevant in the division.

He should know that the only reason fighters fight him is bcoz of the green belt. Take that away and he will be begging for fight cos he gives no fighter any pay day so nobody will fight me.

The next thing his fans will tag him the bogeyman of the division that fighters avoided.

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Everybody in this forum except you knows wilder best pay was against Ortiz and it's 2.1mil.

So you believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight?

[Laligalaliga]

Sense being spoken for once.

Even if Wilder beats the fat coke head - he is still the B side. Many people have elevated Fury to some kind of hw Sugar Ray - he will get destroyed by either Wlider or AJ. How his stock has risen after two glorified sparring sessions against nobodies.

As for Wilder, he has the better negotiator in Finkel it seems, who is stubbornly refusing to engage in any meaningful / realistic talks.

If people were reasonable, I’d say 60/40 AJ and rematch in USA if Wilder wins and then he gets 60/40. That should be do-able for both, and is a generous offer for Wilder.

Giving fury a rematch shows that they were never interested in the fight.

It will be a disaster if Fury pulls an upset twice against wilder. That will automatically make him irrelevant in the division.

He should know that the only reason fighters fight him is bcoz of the green belt. Take that away and he will be begging for fight cos he gives no fighter any pay day so nobody will fight me.

The next thing his fans will tag him the bogeyman of the division that fighters avoided.

[Laligalaliga]

So you believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight?

If the figures say thats what he got then that's what he got....
There is nothing I can do about it.

[Froch_uppercut]

It’s ok for you to say that sitting in the comforts of your home but Wilder has a career to think about and a family to feed.

Stop speaking emotionally. You take things personally. Wilder is in a perfect position . He will beat Fury and the World will demand the fight. You can’t be irrational at the business table.

The U.K. fans have spoken they have already voted for Wilder as of now to make the Whyte fight in April there will have to be a catastrophe in communications / negotiations for U.K. fans, talk less of American fans to accept anyone other than Wilder. However, Team Wilder have to play ball and not throw their toys out the pram like you

It is all about negotiating a massive deal. This is big business. BIG.

Both sides are shrewdly digging in but both fighters and both promoters want it to happen. It is simply a case of agreeing on the terms.

I think Hearn made a strategic mistake in saying that "it needs to get done before Dec 1" as he has simply drawn more attention to the fact that after Dec 1, assuming a Wilder win (which he should easily) then DW's stock goes up and will demand even more. Hearn should not have pointed out Dec 1st. On the other hand, Wilder's side must surely recognize that they have an opportunity to make a massive event, stadium fight and not be too unreasonable.
Fact is. Wilder is not the draw here and has a far worse resume (even with a Fury win) and has only 1 belt. BUT...he will hostage that belt after Dec 1 for the biggest split he can get - as we all would. But let's just hope, as fans, that they all see sense and make it happen.

Fury is lucky here. He was wasting away and blown up / drugs / booze / inactivity and likely needed money. He took two nobodies on and now has himself a big payday, but I simply cannot see his pitty patty style carrying him to victory. He will win rounds if he has prepared well, but if Wilder catches him he will finish him, and hopefully send the cringeworthy loon back to his booze and coke.
Problem is, Wilder ALREADY thinks he deserves 50/50, wtf will his mindset be like after he beats this washed up fat loon? THAT, folks, is the biggest obstacle to a fight we all want to happen, Wilder thinking he is the A side after he deals with Fury.

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Your challenge is you think you always get first hand information but most times you write with sentiments leaning towards welders favor turning yourself to a
fanboy.

I never claim to have first hand information unless I do.

The truth favors Wilder in this situation. There's no bias. AJ is the cash cow. Of course his side wants to delay the fight. Of course Wilder's side wanted the fight ASAP. It's common sense.

It's not my fault Wilder's side is being more truthful than AJ's side.

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If the figures say thats what he got then that's what he got....

So even though Showtime, the fighters, etc have all admitted filed purses are bogus, you still believe they're legit?

You don't think Cotto would be tempted to underpay himself if it was advantageous in terms of taxes and sanctioning fees?

If you have a shell company, and hire yourself to fight, you're obviously going to play with the numbers in whatever way is going to minimize your liabilities.

Do you have any experience operating lucrative businesses? If not, is it possible you don't have a full understanding of the different tricks accountants can play?

[Ake-Dawg]

So even though Showtime, the fighters, etc have all admitted filed purses are bogus, you still believe they're legit?

You don't think Cotto would be tempted to underpay himself if it was advantageous in terms of taxes and sanctioning fees?

If you have a shell company, and hire yourself to fight, you're obviously going to play with the numbers in whatever way is going to minimize your liabilities.

Do you have any experience operating lucrative businesses? If not, is it possible you don't have a full understanding of the different tricks accountants can play?

You have severely overestimated that guy's comprehensive ability.

[Oshio]

These guys are not ready to fight each other yet. Sorry boxing fans are the ones to suffer it