Socialism is a form of perpetual adolescence.

[Jim Jeffries]

I think National Review's Kevin Williamson has a point. Most of the people I see arguing for socialism either have the economic understanding of a 2nd grader, or they want to be put in charge of the class.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Tell that to China, you know the country the Yanks had to borrow all that cash from when the markets failed?

[Jim Jeffries]

Tell that to China, you know the country the Yanks had to borrow all that cash from when the markets failed?

You mean the country that loans back a portion of the profits they make selling us stuff? The one that became much more successful after they adopted more free market principles?

Uh, okay. Though why you would use a country that pays most of its workers between 3 and 10 dollars a day as a positive example of something is beyond me.

The US still has the most powerful economy on earth. Our major problems are a 3.5 trillion dollar a year federal government and an ever growing entitlement class.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Socialism does not mean an end to a market. It means using a market to the advantage of the working class, the producers of the goods.

Not letting a bunch of high rollers dump it all in a casino and make the workers pay every time.

[Jim Jeffries]

Socialism does not mean an end to a market. It means using a market to the advantage of the working class, the producers of the goods.

Ah, the old Marxian Labor Theory of Value. Which is why countries like Zimbabwe, who have a surplus of labor (and chromium, gold, coal, arable land, tourism, etc) without the nasty constraints of Capitalism, are so prosperous. And why North Korea does so much better than South Korea.

Not letting a bunch of high rollers dump it all in a casino and make the workers pay every time.

I believe you're mistaking Crony Capitalism for Capitalism. Like giving waivers for an insurance mandate to over 1000 corporations and unions, for instance. Given a smaller, more efficient and less corrupt government, we wouldn't have bailed out all of those banks. And wouldn't have needed to without the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1999, well that and our government forcing banks into making bad home loans (which then became bundled and traded, assets which became worthless after a large portion defaulted.)

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Ah, the old Marxian Labor Theory of Value. Which is why countries like Zimbabwe, who have a surplus of labor (and chromium, gold, coal, arable land, tourism, etc) without the nasty constraints of Capitalism, are so prosperous. And why North Korea does so much better than South Korea.



I believe you're mistaking Crony Capitalism for Capitalism. Like giving waivers for an insurance mandate to over 1000 corporations and unions, for instance. Given a smaller, more efficient and less corrupt government, we wouldn't have bailed out all of those banks. And wouldn't have needed to without the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1999, well that and our government forcing banks into making bad home loans (which then became bundled and traded, assets which became worthless after a large portion defaulted.)

This was pure an utter ownage.....

The bolded is complete truth. The problem with people arguing for Socialism, is that it either comes from spoiled little American or European kids that have never lived in a Socialist country and are so entirely hypocritical because they condemn Capitalism while partaking in all it's benefits or ...

They fail to see that Socialism is like any other great idea "on paper" it just doesn't work in the real world because of the corruptness of human beings.

Capitalism may not be perfect and I'm not completely opposed to Socialism on smaller scale to help people or give people their basic human rights to health care for example but there isn't a total Socialist country that has made that system work...China is a prime example of this. A socialist country who had to adopt free market principles to survive in the new century. They succeeded where the Soviet Union failed.

[Left Hook Tua]

Tell that to China, you know the country the Yanks had to borrow all that cash from when the markets failed?

1. see how the average chinese person lives and tell me how much better their economy is.

2. china is a bad example because they had to switch to a more capitalist system (at least partially) to improve their economy.

3. america's socialism is actually what caused its major problem (the national debt). look up government spending and see what the majority is spent on. social services dwarfs any other budget spending. even defense.

[Left Hook Tua]

Socialism does not mean an end to a market. It means using a market to the advantage of the working class, the producers of the goods.

Not letting a bunch of high rollers dump it all in a casino and make the workers pay every time.

hey casinos are a good source of income.

nevada ain't complaining.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

1. see how the average chinese person lives and tell me how much better their economy is.

2. china is a bad example because they had to switch to a more capitalist system (at least partially) to improve their economy.

3. america's socialism is actually what caused its major problem (the national debt). look up government spending and see what the majority is spent on. social services dwarfs any other budget spending. even defense.

No it's the bolded, defense, medicare and medicade....

If we stopped spending 10 billion a month on the wars, reformed health care in this country, then we wouldn't be in this problem.

Under Clinton a Democrat, we had a surplus and our economy soared. Socialist programs aren't the problem, it's how and where you spend the money that is.

[Left Hook Tua]

No it's the bolded, defense, medicare and medicade....

If we stopped spending 10 billion a month on the wars, reformed health care in this country, then we wouldn't be in this problem.

Under Clinton a Democrat, we had a surplus and our economy soared. Socialist programs aren't the problem, it's how and where you spend the money that is.

defense is wasteful but it is needed. whether we are at war or not , we'd still be spending that money or close to it.


for me...... social security is the major issue. you can lump in all the medicare and medicaid that goes to senior citizens too.

we're reaching the point that those who don't work will outnumber those who do. that's the major problem.