Comments Thread For: Agitated Arum: HBO, Showtime Don't Own the Boxing Business!

[CONTROVERSIAL]

Thats why I'm leaning towards the FB's & Amazon's. But what is TR risking if they can get $10M-$15M a year from Amazon to air 4+ fight cards a year?

Then they can PPV out anything real big if things don't fit into that price range via their own website or even still work with HBO with PPV stuff which even HBO seems more focused on overall then there regular HBO programming.

Am I missing something with how the logistics & money could work with something like that from Arum's pocket? It'd basically be like how things work with HBO now except it'd be with a new player in the boxing entertainment business in my mind & Arum isn't putting anything on the line that he isn't putting on the line already.

The biggest question mark on something like this is just about who, if anyone right now, would give $10M, $15M or more to throw some boxing on a streaming service. And hell maybe I'm high balling that number. Maybe Arum would go for a $5M or $8M deal with a streaming service just to enter into a new market.

But I mean that sh^t is happening now. Amazon just paid $50M for 10 NFL games ffs. Boxing WILL be in this market soon.



Definitely me too. Its an interesting time for boxing in general.

why would amazon pay them 10 to 15 million to put on boxing? i doubt amazon would even pay them 10 to 15 thousand let alone millions for boxing lol.... unless im missing something or has amazon said they want to get in the boxing business?

[AddiX]

Arum needs hbo whether he wants to admit it or not.

He won't get the prices he needs for his fighters without hbo.

[aboutfkntime]

NEW YORK Bob Arum's love-hate relationship with HBO took another tumultuous turn Saturday night. The outspoken promoter promised a group of reporters during a ringside rant at Madison Square Garden that he won't wait around for HBO to offer dates to his company, Top Rank Inc. Arum wants gifted fighters like Terence Crawford and Vasyl Lomachenko to fight on a more regular basis and has grown tired of frustrating battles with the premium cable channel's hierarchy over broadcasting his company's fights.
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anything that makes Bob Arum seethe with anger, is usually great for boxing

[al-Xander]

Here's 150ish+ for sh^ts and giggles.

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Antonio Tarver
Andre Berto
Devon Alexander
Peter Quillin
Shawn Porter
Austin Trout
Jermain Taylor
Adrien Broner
Erislandy Lara
Josesito Lopez
Gary Russell Jr.
Chris Pearson
Keith Thurman
Chris Arreola
Danny Garcia
Audley Harrison
Daquan Arnett
Gerald Washington
Omar Figueroa
Errol Spence
Deontay Wilder
Robert Easter Jr.
Jamel Herring
Edwin Rodriguez
Marcos Maidana
Dominic Wade
Daniel Jacobs
Jermell Charlo
Jermall Charlo
Chad Dawson
Leo Santa Cruz
Alfredo Angulo
Robert Guerrero
Anthony Peterson
Lamont Peterson
Seth Mitchell
Bryant Perrella
Chris Alexander
Dennis Hasson
Amir Khan
Paul Malignaggi
Michael Hunter Jr.
Ryan Karl
Caleb Plant
Jordan Shimmell
Semajay Thomas
Alex Martin Jr.
Marcos Antonio Hernandez
Stephan Shaw
Tommy Logan
John Magda
Gervonta Davis
Kareem Martin
Daniel Prussak
Prichard Colon
Marcus Browne
Terrell Gausha
Rau'shee Warren
Dominic Breazeale
B.J. Flores
Miguel Vazquez
Vanes Martirosyan
Rances Barthelemy
John Molina
Beibut Shumenov
Luis Collazo
Sakio Bika
Tomoki Kameda
Justin DeLoach
Caleb Truax
Roberto Garcia
Andre Dirrell
Mario Barrios
Thomas Williams Jr.
David Grayton
Phillip Jackson Benson
Kyrone Davis
Wale Omotoso
Haskell Rhodes
Javontae Starks
Abner Mares
Andrzej Fonfara
Joshua Conley
Danny Kelly
Ahmed Elbiali
Erick Bone
Javier Fortuna
Jonathan Guzman
Oscar Escandon
Sergio Mora
Jorge Lara
Jonathan González
Patryk Szymanski
Kamil Laszczyk
Leonard Bundu
Earl Newman
Joseph Elegele
Stephen Fulton
Ionut Dan Ion
Koki Kameda
Adam Kownacki
Jarrett Hurd
Travis Kauffman
Sergiy Derevyanchenko
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Thomas Hill
Malcolm McAllister
Kevin Bizier
Ivan Redkach
John Jackson
Julius Jackson
Tyson Cave
Tony Harrison
Yasmany Consuegra
Domonique Dolton
Erickson Lubin
Dennis Galarza
Dauren Yeleussinov
Juan Carlos Payano
Artur Szpilka
Cesar Seda
Lucian Bute
Ievgen Khytrov
Samuel Vasquez
Carlos Ivan Velasquez
Daiki Kameda
Umberto Savigne
Claudio Marrero
Moises Flores
Samuel Figueroa
Yudel Jhonson
Isiah Thomas
Walter Castillo
Ivan Golub
Tugstsogt Nyambayan
Monty Meza Clay
Kiko Martinez
Gabriel Campillo
Leo Hall
Darwin Price
Steven Ortiz
Danny O'Connor
Mark DeLuca
Ryan Kielczweski
Marvin Sonsona
Maciej Sulecki
Dejan Zlaticanin
Michael Seals
Oscar Rivas
Eleider Alvarez
Artur Beterbiev
Steve Cunningham
Alejandro Luna
Carl Frampton
Chris Colbert
Jamal James
James DeGale
Rocky Martinez
McJoe Arroyo
Gary O'Sullivan
Stephen Ormond
Lee Selby
Emmanuel Rodriguez
Eddie Chambers
Jordan White
Sergey Lipinets
Ivan Baranchyk

Too many fighters put on the shelf by Haymon. You have to wonder how these people feed their families.

[Mitchell Kane]

Thats why I'm leaning towards the FB's & Amazon's. But what is TR risking if they can get $10M-$15M a year from Amazon to air 4+ fight cards a year?

Then they can PPV out anything real big if things don't fit into that price range via their own website or even still work with HBO with PPV stuff which even HBO seems more focused on overall then there regular HBO programming.

Am I missing something with how the logistics & money could work with something like that from Arum's pocket? It'd basically be like how things work with HBO now except it'd be with a new player in the boxing entertainment business in my mind & Arum isn't putting anything on the line that he isn't putting on the line already.

The biggest question mark on something like this is just about who, if anyone right now, would give $10M, $15M or more to throw some boxing on a streaming service. And hell maybe I'm high balling that number. Maybe Arum would go for a $5M or $8M deal with a streaming service just to enter into a new market.

But I mean that sh^t is happening now. Amazon just paid $50M for 10 NFL games ffs. Boxing WILL be in this market soon.



Definitely me too. Its an interesting time for boxing in general.

Maybe Top Rank should convert their library of fights into streamable content, and then package it with live fights and other content (like weigh-ins, interviews, behind the scenes stuff) into something like what the WWE Network does.

Then, either try to distribute it themselves (such as buying the Pacquiao-Horn or other PPV's includes a month of Top Rank Streaming)...or find a streaming partner.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't think Amazon or Facebook are going to give Arum anything like that amount. They might give him an opportunity and some services that would normally cost money but Arum would likely be out of pocket for all the events with having to make back money on each event if he wants to turn a profit. I don't think there is much money in that sort of thing right now, in the future sure once built up and I don't think Amazon or Facebook would subsidize such a risky thing. I doubt he can get private equity help with all the fuss he helped to stir up over PBC, which would be the one route where he could actually get the capital.

I think you're underestimating this new streaming marketplace. Its gonna have boxing. It just is. Its gonna have football, basketball, tennis, baseball, f#cking darts maybe idk, but for sure it'll have boxing.

And I'd argue it'll have boxing exactly because its a easy sport to get in for cheap cuz it is a circus unlike other sports.

All these other sports got professional organizations running their sport largely. You can't grab boxing in the same way you can grab the NFL. You just gotta line up a promoter like ESPN & many channels have done to one degree or another with their boxing show of choice. Its the same thing thats happening all over regular TV right now its just a new marketplace. So its nothing risky per se its whats going on today.

If it was a bunch of boxing people and they could spread out the cost on a WWE network type deal maybe but even then it will cost them tens of millions. Not even including bringing new content in

Yea idk about that. First off good luck getting "a bunch of boxing people" involved in anything together. They can't even get rid of obviously corrupt abc groups let alone actually create something.

I think free is where its at. I think Haymon was on the right mindset, but maybe the wrong market. And for a guy who still gots a dumb phone I guess thats not unsurprising.

This is from January.

Hulu is preparing to launch a live TV service, which will compete with cable and be priced at "under" $40 per month.

The service will work much like a regular cable or satellite TV package, except that it will be delivered over the internet to your smart TV, phone, tablet, and so on. It will also be "sports-centric," Hulu CEO Mike Hopkins revealed in a new interview with Adweek.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hulu-...centric-2017-1

This is from 12hrs ago & its esports, but it just goes to show even that marketplace is getting bigger & moving outside the realm of Twitch.

Taking on Twitter and Amazon-owned Twitch when it comes to live-streaming sport events, Facebook has now announced a partnership with global e-sports company ESL to bring over 5,550 hours of e-sports events and other original content to its platforms.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...sports-1696735

As mentioned Amazon gots a NFL deal. Twitter gots NHL games. How people view live sports is drastically changing as we speak. Someone in boxing is gonna get offered something & accept is sooner rather than later. And if I'm a random guy at FB, Hulu, Amazon, Twitter or whoever I'm probably gonna be talking to a notable name like Arum or ODLH. And ODLH gots a nice situation right now with PPV via Canelo, HBO + lesser TV channels.

Arum has far fewer options these days, but arguable a better overall roster then GBP right now who need more eyes on them. And I think more cats got Amazon Prime (which usually includes there viewing catalog) then HBO in the US these days.

[PBR Streetgang]

Speaking of fighthype.com, I just went over there and 90% of the articles were about Mayweather. Why? Floyd was a fantastic fighter but he's retired last time I checked and he is toying with the idea of fighting some kind of exhibition fight against an MMA fighter (and not a great one either). Reminds me when Rocky Balboa fought Hulk "Thunderlips" Hogan....about as real too.

[Eff Pandas]

Maybe Top Rank should convert their library of fights into streamable content, and then package it with live fights and other content (like weigh-ins, interviews, behind the scenes stuff) into something like what the WWE Network does.

Then, either try to distribute it themselves (such as buying the Pacquiao-Horn or other PPV's includes a month of Top Rank Streaming)...or find a streaming partner.

Yea I'm sure if they sign a deal with a streaming partner its a solid bet their catalog could be including. I wouldn't be surprised by what you are suggesting at all.

And sh^t as a fan I'd love to be able to find old fights easier & in better quality. Holy sh^t man its ******ed more great or just random solid old fights aren't in better quality &/or not hidden on the internet &/or on some sketchy site if you can find them at all.

[Eff Pandas]

Speaking of fighthype.com, I just went over there and 90% of the articles were about Mayweather. Why?

Idk if anyone can confirm or deny this 100%, but I think Floyd owns or is heavily invested in that site as a partial owner. Floyd was getting dumped on fairly regularly for a long time by the other media which is also bought & paid for so I think he decided if he can't beat them he'll join them.

[The Gambler1981]

I think you're underestimating this new streaming marketplace. Its gonna have boxing. It just is. Its gonna have football, basketball, tennis, baseball, f#cking darts maybe idk, but for sure it'll have boxing.

And I'd argue it'll have boxing exactly because its a easy sport to get in for cheap cuz it is a circus unlike other sports.

All these other sports got professional organizations running their sport largely. You can't grab boxing in the same way you can grab the NFL. You just gotta line up a promoter like ESPN & many channels have done to one degree or another with their boxing show of choice. Its the same thing thats happening all over regular TV right now its just a new marketplace. So its nothing risky per se its whats going on today.



Yea idk about that. First off good luck getting "a bunch of boxing people" involved in anything together. They can't even get rid of obviously corrupt abc groups let alone actually create something.

I think free is where its at. I think Haymon was on the right mindset, but maybe the wrong market. And for a guy who still gots a dumb phone I guess thats not unsurprising.

This is from January.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hulu-...centric-2017-1

This is from 12hrs ago & its esports, but it just goes to show even that marketplace is getting bigger & moving outside the realm of Twitch.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...sports-1696735

As mentioned Amazon gots a NFL deal. Twitter gots NHL games. How people view live sports is drastically changing as we speak. Someone in boxing is gonna get offered something & accept is sooner rather than later. And if I'm a random guy at FB, Hulu, Amazon, Twitter or whoever I'm probably gonna be talking to a notable name like Arum or ODLH. And ODLH gots a nice situation right now with PPV via Canelo, HBO + lesser TV channels.

Arum has far fewer options these days, but arguable a better overall roster then GBP right now who need more eyes on them. And I think more cats got Amazon Prime (which usually includes there viewing catalog) then HBO in the US these days.

I don't dispute that there is a future in that sort of medium, but that fruit is not close to ripe yet. As such anyone putting on content needs to be able to eat some loses. NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS or EPL all can afford to subsidize the losses because they are spread out across a whole bunch of wealthy owners and tons of other revenue streams. Low end sports like darts or cross fit whatever eyeballs they can get are good because their content ain't worth much of anything if they can grow it and grow the sport that way they are better off even if they basically give the content away.

Boxing is not super cheap to put on especially if we are talking real guys fighting, so if one promoter does that they are going to be taking big loses for a fairly long period (like PBC) until it slowly turns around. Boxing is really star driven so unless you have one of the few guys who can move the needle you are fighting to tread water basically. Top Rank has a good stable and Manny can still move the needle a bit (at least in the right situation) but they are basically in tread water mode, which is not an opportune time to invest heavily.


I could see a WWE network type deal working but no one player is strong enough to pull that off currently. I know it is a pipe dream to get a bunch of big boxing players together but that is essentially what the start of a league would look like 6 or 8 strong teams that were on their own essentially, then coming together sacrificing a bit so a whole new system can be created.