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Old 10-01-2015, 10:05 PM #21
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In boxing most fighters don't quit till they have nothing left, so he won't be judged too harshly, unless he does a James Toney or Roy.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:06 PM #22
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That Marquez angle is pretty interesting tho. I do see Marquez and Pacquiao on the same tier, stark contrast to what most people believe which is Pacquiao being on Mayweather's level.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:16 PM #23
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Losses now, after the floyd fight won matter in the long run...


Robinson, holyfield, leonard, etc all have late career losses...

Roy jones lost a bunch, but doesn't take away from his legacy
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:29 PM #24
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Losses now, after the floyd fight won matter in the long run...


Robinson, holyfield, leonard, etc all have late career losses...

Roy jones lost a bunch, but doesn't take away from his legacy
Given the immense hype and credit Pacquiao received, I think it does. Losing 3 out of 5 fights plus another hypothetical 2 losses will drag his career down IMHO.


Considering the fact some of his most recent losses were also embarassing (Floyd) and downright desiheartening to his fanbase (JMM) it's a big deal.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:31 PM #25
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Marquez has successful proven to be the better fighter from the two for the simple fact Pac has never beaten Juan by a UD, TKO, or KO, and as we all know, there was always controversy between their bouts.

Pac-Marq I : Draw. Got Floored 3 times in RD1. Ideally you would finish a fighter under those circumstances. Instead, Marquez adjusts, goes the distance , impresses the judges, DRAW.

Pac-Marq 2: SD .. the scoring speaks for itself.

Pac-Marq 3: MD.. the scoring speaks for itself.

Pac-Marq 4: KO... Pac gets floored in RD3, just sloppy defense. Marquez's nose is ****ed...still keeps going like some crazy Aztec warriror... Pac's dumbass just always charging with a straight left...Marquez gets ready for the counter attack stepping back slow and BOOM Pac falls for the bait.. someone went to sleep.

It's only logical that Marquez was the better fighter. Marquez in his whole career has never even been KO'd whereas Pac was destroyed 2 times before.

Pac's a B Level Fighter. Catchweight Prince. The WADA ducker. HBO may have fooled most but not me. I'm happy one of the best counter attackers put that sore loser to sleep.
oh boy, please read again and DO understand the thread's subject....
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oh boy, please read again and DO understand the thread's subject....
He's probably implying Pacquiao is on JMM's level, so in that sense, Pacquiao shouldn't be considered Top 5 of his era. I have at # 7 though.
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Given the immense hype and credit Pacquiao received, I think it does. Losing 3 out of 5 fights plus another hypothetical 2 losses will drag his career down IMHO.


Considering the fact some of his most recent losses were also embarassing (Floyd) and downright desiheartening to his fanbase (JMM) it's a big deal.
That makes no sense, and gives me the impression you have only been watching boxing in the past few years...

Manny could lose 20 fights in a row now,, it will never take away from the destructions of barrera, morales, lembedaw, Hatton, cotto, margarito, bradley plus all the marquez fights..
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He's probably implying Pacquiao is on JMM's level, so in that sense, Pacquiao shouldn't be considered Top 5 of his era. I have at # 7 though.
Lmao... Name the 6 guys better than #7 manny???

Only floyd rates higher in this era
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Losses now, after the floyd fight won matter in the long run...


Robinson, holyfield, leonard, etc all have late career losses...

Roy jones lost a bunch, but doesn't take away from his legacy
retire rjjr after his hw win. Would you have him rated the same as you do now or jogger.

imo, if he would've retired then, he'd easily end up top 10 of all time. maybe top 5.
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That makes no sense, and gives me the impression you have only been watching boxing in the past few years...

Manny could lose 20 fights in a row now,, it will never take away from the destructions of barrera, morales, lembedaw, Hatton, cotto, margarito, bradley plus all the marquez fights..
You're obviously biased. There's no way that can be true.
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