Originally posted by anthonydavid11
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I Think It's Time to Drop the P4P Mythical Title
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Its good fun to debate and talk about but its ultimately meaningless other than for promotional purposes.
Unless you have a lifetime of experience in the sport then trying to judge the talents of a 115lber in comparison to a 200+lber is impossible. Even with that experience you can still be wildly wrong.
As long as its just a bit of fun debate over an abstract concept then i dont see any problem. Its a good way to recognise the talent of fighters down the weightclasses. People do take it far too seriously thoigh for sure
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Wasn't P4P invented because of Sugar Ray Robinson? Because he was so dominant he was used as akind of yardstick to measure other fighters. I don't see anyone dominate his era today to come even close. It also breeds complacency, makes fighters (e.g. Canelo) believe the hype and rest on their laurels. BELTS should be the ultimate test of your worth, bring back undisputed champions - I bet Canelo wouldn't have dropped his green if P4P didn't exist.
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Originally posted by original zero View PostBut nobody is wasting their time debating who is the best football team, age for age.
Yes, it does mean the 300 lb HW is a better boxer. If they competed at boxing, the HW would win. Therefore he's better. Just as the best men's tennis player is the better tennis player than the best women's tennis player. The person who would win is better. This is common sense.
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If the fight could have conceivably gone the other way, then simply accept the decision, I don't understand why fans struggle with that.
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Originally posted by ..David.. View PostI kind of agree with this ....
And Cmon, its cool people get hyped about it because having a clear p4p guy means we have someone "special" in boxing again, sometimes it takes a while but eventually the ray robinsons, Alis, durans , leonards , chavezes, whitakers, roy jones, tysons, pacquiaos, floyds ( just to name a few ) emerge witnessing a prime p4p fighter could be a thing of beauty for a true boxing fan.
People get carried away because they are imature haha
Some like Pacman some like Floyd. ( Ali would GOAT here according to most fans ... counting casuals haha )
Some like LeBron, some like Curry. ( Jordan would be like GOAT in here ).
Some like C.ronaldo some like messi.
etc etc...
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Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View PostIf the fight could have conceivably gone the other way, then simply accept the decision, I don't understand why fans struggle with that.
But hey. Ward's got it now and he'll be there a while I'm sure. It's fine. I just don't see a lot of glory in it.
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p4p is based on meritocracy. It's what you've done and who you've fought.
Choco didn't turbo it up as he did in The Cuadras bout and the dude got dropped... point is Choco is barely making it at this division. Kovalev was dropped by Boone as was Ward, but Ward didn't find the need to fight him twice...
If people want to say p4p is about skill with the argument that Loma should be top 3, then automatically Rigo should be too. Loma has no one on his resume like Donaire. Rigo nor Ward lost on their second bout as Ward is south of Loma in amateur bouts and Rigo north of amateur bouts than Loma.
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