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Old 06-20-2018, 08:30 PM #131
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Thanks for making this thread. This is one of the most polarizing and contentious issues of our day.

I think what is happening - Trump administration instituting a 'zero tolerance policy' - is the culmination of years and years of congressional inaction and a broken immigration system.


Democrats seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. With sanctuary cities, our state and local governments are condoning illegal immigration by not enforcing immigration laws. These same democrats talk about strengthen border security and immigration laws. I don't see how these polices can mutually coexist.

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more immigrants were forcibly removed from the United States under Obama than any other president. More than 2.8 million undocumented immigrants have been deported over the last eight years

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during Obama’s time in office, the number of people living in the U.S. illegally has actually declined, according to independent estimates by demographers.
The Pew Research Center estimated the number at 11.7 million in 2008, and most recently at 11.3 million in 2014, a decline of roughly 400,000, or 3.4 percent.
And the Center for Migration Studies estimated that the drop has been even more pronounced, going from 12 million in 2008 to 10.9 million in 2014. That would be a decrease of 1.1 million, or 9 percent.

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President Obama urged Congress on Tuesday to quickly provide almost $4 billion to confront a surge of young migrants from Central America crossing the border into Texas, calling it “an urgent humanitarian situation.”...The president said he needed the money to set up new detention facilities, conduct more aerial surveillance and hire immigration judges and Border Patrol agents

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From 2013:

"Yes, the number of Border Patrol agents is at an all-time high," said Rey Koslowski, an expert on the border and an associate professor of political science and public policy at the University at Albany.

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Also, this began with Bill Clinton, who was president in 1996:

The trend toward increased deportations began with the 1996 passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act

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Democrats generally want a strong border and to deal with immigrants in a humane way. Most Republicans also believe in not separating children from families, especially infants and toddlers. And Trump just caved, and decided to do what Democrats and most Republicans have been calling on him to do. There are ways to slow illegal immigration that do no involve causing permanent psychological and emotional damage to infants and toddlers.
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:41 PM #132
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more immigrants were forcibly removed from the United States under Obama than any other president. More than 2.8 million undocumented immigrants have been deported over the last eight years

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during Obama’s time in office, the number of people living in the U.S. illegally has actually declined, according to independent estimates by demographers.
The Pew Research Center estimated the number at 11.7 million in 2008, and most recently at 11.3 million in 2014, a decline of roughly 400,000, or 3.4 percent.
And the Center for Migration Studies estimated that the drop has been even more pronounced, going from 12 million in 2008 to 10.9 million in 2014. That would be a decrease of 1.1 million, or 9 percent.

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President Obama urged Congress on Tuesday to quickly provide almost $4 billion to confront a surge of young migrants from Central America crossing the border into Texas, calling it “an urgent humanitarian situation.”...The president said he needed the money to set up new detention facilities, conduct more aerial surveillance and hire immigration judges and Border Patrol agents

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From 2013:

"Yes, the number of Border Patrol agents is at an all-time high," said Rey Koslowski, an expert on the border and an associate professor of political science and public policy at the University at Albany.

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Also, this began with Bill Clinton, who was president in 1996:

The trend toward increased deportations began with the 1996 passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act

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Democrats generally want a strong border and to deal with immigrants in a humane way. Most Republicans also believe in not separating children from families, especially infants and toddlers. And Trump just caved, and decided to do what Democrats and most Republicans have been calling on him to do. There are ways to slow illegal immigration that do no involve causing permanent psychological and emotional damage to infants and toddlers.
You’d think conservatives would have applauded Obama’s policies and actions in regards to immigration- instead they hate him with a passion. Totally irrational.

Anyway this is most contentious issue of our time and I hope that politicians on both sides of the aisle can pass effective laws that are fair and ethical but also strict and just
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Old 06-20-2018, 11:31 PM #133
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:55 AM #134
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:47 AM #135
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You’d think conservatives would have applauded Obama’s policies and actions in regards to immigration- instead they hate him with a passion. Totally irrational.

Anyway this is most contentious issue of our time and I hope that politicians on both sides of the aisle can pass effective laws that are fair and ethical but also strict and just
because obama sabotaged all the good work he did on illegal immigration with the refugee resettlement program. and many conservatives haven't forgotten. especially those conservatives who suddenly found themselves living next to tens of thousands walking trashbags. it was all calculated anyway so sabotaged is probably not even the right word. ***** barrack. the dude clearly had massive contempt for America. him and his damn husband!

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