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Old 04-20-2018, 06:50 PM #241
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No! Wilder doesnt deserve 40%.
If it ends up AJís highest grossing fight, how does he not???
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:54 PM #242
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Thereís all kinds of ways to put more money in the pot. Why not offer the $12M guarantee, with a chance at a 60/40 split if they reach a certain gross? Move the start time to accommodate American PPV, and let Wilder get the majority of whatever it does. If you trust what Hearn is saying(and for the record I donít) about the fight only projecting to gross $40M-$50M. And Wilderís team thinking itís closer to $100M. Thereís all kinds of ways to word contracts that would allow Wilder to make a lot more money if the fight is a blockbuster. And protect Team AJ if it isnít. But a $12M flat fee with no gross revenue upside, take it or leave it, is a nice way to kill negotiations before they start.
Moving the time to accommodate American TV would not make any sort of business sense, both have never sold any PPV to America. The only guarantee sale would be at British time on British PPV.

If this fight can make 100million now then both Joshua and Hearn would be signing all the contracts now, they are in the business of making money. If there is money in this fight then Team Wilder would have comeback with a well thought out counter offer. But between 3 managers and American networks so far we have nothing.

So rather than go by frictional offers and PPV, I would go with what little fact that we have and that is SKY PPV and numbers that is guarantee to sell and pay both fighters.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:00 PM #243
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Moving the time to accommodate American TV would not make any sort of business sense, both have never sold any PPV to America. The only guarantee sale would be at British time on British PPV.

If this fight can make 100million now then both Joshua and Hearn would be signing all the contracts now, they are in the business of making money. If there is money in this fight then Team Wilder would have comeback with a well thought out counter offer. But between 3 managers and American networks so far we have nothing.

So rather than go by frictional offers and PPV, I would go with what little fact that we have and that is SKY PPV and numbers that is guarantee to sell and pay both fighters.
Why wouldnít moving the fight time to accommodate American PPV make sense? London is about five hours ahead of NYC. If they do the ring walks at midnight over there, it would be primetime over here. AJ is a star over there. It doesnít matter if he fights at four oíclock in the morning, theyíre gonna watch him. On the other hand, the fight does a helluva lot better over here if itís in primetime, as opposed to four or five oíclock for somebody like me living in the CST.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:10 PM #244
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Indeed.

There's no reason why he can't offer a %, even if it's 32% or whatever. Why not offer % or a flat fee, give a choice and then it's up to Wilders team to decide if the % will be less or more than the flat fee, based on their predictions of money generated.

I just can't understand any reason to flat out refuse to offer a %, apart from the fact he knows a flat fee offer is likely to be turned down.

Turning down a flat fee is not a duck. Maybe it will be his highest purse by some distance, but if the fight is bigger than expected...Wilder ends up with a very small % of the income if he agrees to the flat fee and could've earned more with a % split.

Let's be fair, when talking big fights like this, it's always done in % splits. Hearn knows it.
Excellent post....."Hearn knows it" for sure.....
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:12 PM #245
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If it ends up AJís highest grossing fight, how does he not???
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:19 PM #246
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Why do you care about what they're earning or food being taken from Hearn's mouth? - He sure wouldn't think twice about taking yours.

This is the problem with boxing. Fans should remember they are the ones that put money into the sport. Promoters are only playing with money that comes from paying customers. Fans should be demanding the best fights get made at all costs, rather than taking sides of promoters and justifying things.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:25 PM #247
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I think he makes a fair point guys.It's a fact that Wilder is not a huge draw in America and neither is AJ. If this fight is going to generate any kind of revenue is going to be at the live gate in the U.K.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:26 PM #248
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If it ends up AJís highest grossing fight, how does he not???
AJ can make that money fighting other people. Maybe 20% less but not much less.

I don't agree with a flat fee. But I don't agree with 40% either. That's what PACQUIAO got against Mayweather... Wilder is not a draw. He deserves something between 20 and 35% max.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:28 PM #249
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Take the fight and get the belts then you can offer the same BS money for the rematch assuming that there is not a rematch clause in the first contract. They are scared of Wilder. It is obvious.
It is obvious.....
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:30 PM #250
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No! Wilder doesnt deserve 40%.
Well it wouldn't matter anyway ....


Lou Dibella just awhile ago said HE felt no reason to respond to Hearns offer thats why they didnt make a counter offer .

According to this imecile he feels no reason to CHASE anyone ?


Yet they are the ones being offered the fight .


Yep there you have it , great job team Wilder .


After seeing that joker and his body language he clearly doesnt want the fight next and the Wilder fans applaud these actions . lol


"Wilder will move on with or without Joshua and fight the best possible guys "

Yea but Dumbella who will they be ?
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