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Old 03-29-2020, 08:12 AM #21
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Brook is a better opponent that Mikey Garcia or Shawn Porter.
Are you mentally disabled or just straight stupid?
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:27 AM #22
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I can kind of see both sides. From Spenceís perspective obviously heís going to be pushed towards fighting the Porterís, DSGís, Thurmanís, Pacquiaoís etc as they are in house fights and I canít really complain with that because they are all good matchups and it does make sense from a business standpoint.

Then Crawford is rightfully loyal to Bob whoís navigated his career very well, but is obviously frustrated thatís heís on the outside looking in, but as much as I sympathise with his situation he mustíve knew this was likely when he signed an extension with TR in 2018.

As a fan I just wanna see the best two welterweightís in the world face off like Leonard-Hearns did in 81, but thereís so much f***ing politics nowadays cause of networks, promoters, advisers, managers etc. Seeing Fury-Wilder 2 at least restores some optimism that these sort of fights can be negotiated.
So itís basically the ďheís on the other side of the streetĒ issue again which is complete BS for me. Arum and haymon can make wilder-fury but canít make this lol
Spence can demand to his promoter for the fight, they talked face to face already and spence could tell bob right there ďletís make the fight sirĒ instead saying ďyou on the other side of the street broĒ
I donít think spence is scared or anything but he just doesnít do anything towards making that fight even when itís for his legacy.

So extension or not, itís BS excuse.

Floyd and pac happened after floyd said for 6 years that heís not gonna work with arum.

So my guess is spence-crawford happens soon as crawford losses a step. And itíll be very easy fight to make and arum doesnít even have to do anything.
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:38 AM #23
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Fair point... I understand the name value aspect but I just think Brook is completely done at 147. I think itís borderline dangerous him facing a fighter like Crawford at that weight.
You're probably right about that.
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:39 AM #24
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So itís basically the ďheís on the other side of the streetĒ issue again which is complete BS for me. Arum and haymon can make wilder-fury but canít make this lol
Spence can demand to his promoter for the fight, they talked face to face already and spence could tell bob right there ďletís make the fight sirĒ instead saying ďyou on the other side of the street broĒ
I donít think spence is scared or anything but he just doesnít do anything towards making that fight even when itís for his legacy.

So extension or not, itís BS excuse.

Floyd and pac happened after floyd said for 6 years that heís not gonna work with arum.

So my guess is spence-crawford happens soon as crawford losses a step. And itíll be very easy fight to make and arum doesnít even have to do anything.
Wilder didnít have the options Spence has though.

Fury-Wilder was a far bigger fight than Wilder vs any of the PBC HWís.

Spence-Crawford isnít far bigger than Pacquiao-Spence for example, itís probably not as big as Pac-Spence tbh.

I think both fighters want it but the team behind Spence have a specific plan and Crawford fight is toward the end of it.

Itís sh***y for the fans as itís probably the most interesting matchup in the sport.
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Brook is a better opponent that Mikey Garcia or Shawn Porter.
Maybe once upon a time
And even then Iíd beg to differ
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These threads about Crawford are always as confusing as fk.
On one hand they say Bud hasn't fought anyone of note.
On the other, they say he's the best welter invention since sliced bread.
Which is it? Make up your minds brothas.

Who did he beat that Brook is such a terrible fight? Gamboa?
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:47 AM #27
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These threads about Crawford are always confusing as fk.
On one hand they say Bud hasn't fought anyone of note.
On the other, they say he's the best welter invention since sliced bread.
Which is it? Make up your minds brothas.

Who did he beat that Brook is such a terrible fight? Gamboa?
It’s the manner in which he’s beat guys...

Viktor Postol gave an elite fighter in Josh Taylor a really tough fight, Crawford dominated him.

Jeff Horn gave an elite fighter in Pacquiao a really tough fight, Crawford dominated him.

It’s really not that complicated.
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Gonna be interesting to see how he looks, Iím hoping heís the same fighter but you have to be concerned after an accident of that magnitude.
Not many people can put chit like that in the rear view mirror and forget about it
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And what makes you think Crawford wants Brook?
Brook has been stalking him and Bud hasn't had any definitive response.
First time he was asked about Brook he quickly and irritatingly retorted,
"I'm not fighting in the UK."
Which means he's so used to fighting Lundy-level opponents
that anyone tad better is a threat.
What makes he think the fight will be held in the UK?
He's the A-side and he knows the venue would be his call.
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I get so depressed when talking about Bud
Itís crazy and very depressing
I rate him quite high but needs to start fighting some of the bigger names
So fed up , I donít know anymore if it is his fault or not but wtv
See what I mean lol
Just a damn shame, the way this shit turns out. Never gonna fault a guy for making sure he's financially rewarded, but this schism across boxing between the various networks is just depressing like you say.

Ultimately the bulk of the talent at 147 lies with PBC and Bud's unlikely to ever get the kinda solid top 10 opponents he really needs to boost his resume unless he works with 'em. I always hesitate to judge cos we just don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but if the Porter fight was a genuine possibility I feel he shoulda jumped on that one. Other than that it's just waiting for the Spence fight to materialise, if it ever does..

In the meantime, well, Kell's a name at least, even if a faded and slightly tarnished one.. and unlike the TS I still reckon that Kell will be able to give a reasonable account of himself... but I can't see him winning, so I'm seeing this as more of the same, another kinda filler fight, whilst we wait for the one we really want.
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