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Old 03-29-2020, 01:50 PM #51
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This is the problem. I'd like the Besputin fight but he'll be written off as a Eurobum.
exactly. We have to remember that it's not the fans that benefit, it's the casuals. We watch it either way.
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Old 03-29-2020, 02:20 PM #52
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I dont think we will be getting any matches anytime soon, so we can all relax
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Old 03-29-2020, 03:58 PM #53
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So who else is there for Crawford with a better name?

You're acting as if there are other options out there. PBC fighters want no piece of the guy, so tell us which fighter you want for his next fight?
Read my OP, I listed several.

Besputin and Abdukakhorov both beat Brook at 147.
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Old 03-29-2020, 04:01 PM #54
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Agreed. I've enjoyed watching Brook over the years but he's absolutely done and dusted.

This looks like Arum and Crawford eking out the last bit of name value from a faded boxer.

An easy win for Crawford and not one which will advance his reputation one iota.
Exactly, he was a world level fighter 4 years ago but he hasnít had a relevant win at 147 for 6 years and he canít even make the weight healthily.
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Old 03-29-2020, 04:05 PM #55
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Mean Machine is a good fighter though. People just saw his last name and assumed he was a bum
The Ray Robinson fight really hurt his credibility for a lot of people. He proved in the Crawford fight that was simply an off night though, I assume he took his eye off the ball knowing he had the mandatory shot coming up next.
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Old 03-29-2020, 07:10 PM #56
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First off I rate Terence Crawford as the 2nd best P4P fighter on this planet. Iím not trying to hate on the guy.

But, Terence Crawford fighting Kell Brook is a disgraceful mismatch. Brook is completely washed and will have to absolutely kill himself to make 147, he hasnít had a relevant win at 147 since 2014, and he hasnít fought at the 147 limit in 3 years. This is just a simple case of Brook cashing in in whateverís left of his name value.

Crawford should be targeting top contenders, I know a lot of the PBC guys are not exactly options but at least go and get Abdukakhorov, Besputin etc.

There are even better options within Hearnís stable, Prograis, Vargas, Garcia etc.

I have no interest in seeing Terence Crawford annihilate a washed up guy who will have lost the fight the moment he gets on the scales.
I agree. Brook has not beaten anyone in the top 20 since spence Ked him years ago. A title shot at 154 has been his for the asking for years but he nevers asks. He says making 147kills him but he wants to fight at 147 anyway when he could fight at his proper weight of 154. if Crawford beats him we will listen to him cry again how killing himself to make 147 was the only reason he lost.
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:28 PM #57
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The May-Pac stuff is irrelevant so Iíll just leave that behind.

I actually agree with a lot of what youíre saying but youíve also got to understand that itís no longer the 80ís and these super fights are a lot harder to make.

I completely understand why you and most fans are p**sed off with all the politics standing in the way of fights and Iím totally with you. Iím not excusing the promoters, managers either, I think itís BS that these guys probably wonít fight for a year or so but I do understand the reasoning behind it. From a business perspective it does make sense but from a fans perspective itís incredibly frustrating.

The only thing I disagree with is that you have a problem with Spence being OK with fighting Pac, Thurman, Porter etc, I donít see how you can take issue with a guy for fighting top competition. If the powers above said to Spence that Crawford is next heíd be happy with that and vice versa. Fighters fight.

Like i said itís the same feeling with floyd during his days. Everybody wants a pacman fight since 09, and anyone else next to that fans are just settling for it because itís better than getting nothing. Then hoped again that pac is next immediately after its done.

Crawford has the best shot to beat Spence and vice versa. The reason their resumes are thin, at 30-33 because they just keep milking the great fights.

These guys donít want to be remembered in the anals of history if theyíre okay with that.

I know alright the business side of all of it, and thereís no sense in complaining here as it wonít change a thing, but itís worth pointing out. The legends are the ones that prioritize legacy over business or was able to maximize both.

Not using the same standards to these current fighters is admitting that they are not on the same levels as the previous greats, or they donít hope to be.
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:32 PM #58
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Exactly, he was a world level fighter 4 years ago but he hasnít had a relevant win at 147 for 6 years and he canít even make the weight healthily.
Heís never had a relevant win outside of Porter. His achievements and credibility begin and end with scraping a win off Porter.
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Is that fight really going to happen?

Brook has no business going back to 147. This just seems like trying to get some relative names to generate some hype for Crawford. Instead of fighting the top guys in the 147lb division.

If he thinks this is how he is finally going to get that Spence fight.. He's going to find that it's only going to get him less money when a Spence fight actually happens.

Watch what happens when/if Spence nabs Pacquiao's belt. We'll see just how badly Crawford wants to fight when he can only negotiate a 10% cut of the profits because he's been fighting cans and hasbeens.
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Like i said itís the same feeling with floyd during his days. Everybody wants a pacman fight since 09, and anyone else next to that fans are just settling for it because itís better than getting nothing. Then hoped again that pac is next immediately after its done.

Crawford has the best shot to beat Spence and vice versa. The reason their resumes are thin, at 30-33 because they just keep milking the great fights.

These guys donít want to be remembered in the anals of history if theyíre okay with that.

I know alright the business side of all of it, and thereís no sense in complaining here as it wonít change a thing, but itís worth pointing out. The legends are the ones that prioritize legacy over business or was able to maximize both.

Not using the same standards to these current fighters is admitting that they are not on the same levels as the previous greats, or they donít hope to be.
I don't know about Crawford but that's not the case for Spence.

Spence is building his platform in boxing carefully. It's plain to see really. 20 something fights for an Olympian before a title shot? That's very rare. Then defends his title 3x before setting up a unification bout? How can that be hated upon.

That's careful building. Now he's targeting Pacquiao (WBA champ) but willing to fight his mandatory Danny Garcia (#6 ww) to set up the Pacquiao fight?

That's not milking anything. That's a legit boxing platform being built. That's creating a lineal claim to the division and attempting to unify it.

When the Crawford fight happens. Either Spence will have all the leverage by holding 3 of the 4 relevant titles or will have nothing and be fighting Crawford to salvage his career, if Crawford would even want to fight him in that occurrence.

On the flip side of that. Crawford is fighting literal unknowns. Guys not even ranked in the top 10 of the division by The Ring after beating the weakest belt holder in Jeff Horn.

I don't say any of this to be bias. Just to point out what is occurring. A legacy is being built, it's just not always seen until after the smoke settles and the gloves are hung up.

Brook (champ), Porter (champ), Mikey (#6 ww former champ), Pacquiao (champ), Crawford (champ).

That's a legacy. He'll have cleared the division with that string of fights (if he wins them all)

bar Thurman but that guy crawled under a rock after losing to Pacquiao. So who knows where he is.
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