Did Floyd Mayweather use PED's? (simple answer for an OG member please)

[travestyny]

I get it, it has been a rough period for you of late. I debunked your Manny speculation and you cannot defend Floyd's IV scandal no longer because you realized the truth.

We have the T/E issue as well with Floyd and those other supposed positive results that had surfaced a few years ago and this IV scandal.

YAWWWWNNNN. I suggest you go look up the word "debunk" once again. Maybe then you would stop embarrassing yourself.

You should also stop trying to be an expert in fields that you don't understand.

Mayweather's T/E Ratio: The Mayweather T/E ratios provided were 0.8 and 0.69 respectively.

Here is the head of a WADA accredited laboratory stating that levels of .4 and .48 are not abnormal.

As a matter of fact, Comier's T/E ratio was low too, with a .4 T/E ratio on Dec. 2 and .48 T/E ratio on Dec. 17. Cormier's testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL, lower than average, but higher than Jones's.

Kevin Iole with Yahoo Sports spoke with Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of Montreal's Laboratoire de contrôle du dopage INRS, one of 32 WADA-accredited labs worldwide.

“I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal,”said Dr. Ayotte.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...spicious-found

If the head of a WADA laboratory thinks .4 and .48 are not abnormal, I wonder what she thinks of .8 and .69.

Now go away. Only you want to keep bringing this up because you are embarrassed that you consistently get stomped, and you are embarrassed that Pacquiao lost. Go cry to someone else.

[ELPacman]

A man calls for cleaning up the sport to get the attention off himself. Surely the man who called for stronger testing wouldn't be taking them, would he?

[ADP02]

new Ultra Slow Motion Video says ... This ****ing fight is over.... Just drop it already.

Plenty of other boxing to enjoy

You guys are fools and doping masters now!

Let it go.

and miss you saying "Ultra De-Duper Slow-Mo Video-Rama"?

[Zaroku]

and miss you saying "Ultra De-Duper Slow-Mo Video-Rama"?

Hahahahahahahaha! Jhonny hopes to never see Floyd fight again.

[ADP02]

YAWWWWNNNN. I suggest you go look up the word "debunk" once again. Maybe then you would stop embarrassing yourself.

You should also stop trying to be an expert in fields that you don't understand.

Mayweather's T/E Ratio: The Mayweather T/E ratios provided were 0.8 and 0.69 respectively.

Here is the head of a WADA accredited laboratory stating that levels of .4 and .48 are not abnormal.

As a matter of fact, Comier's T/E ratio was low too, with a .4 T/E ratio on Dec. 2 and .48 T/E ratio on Dec. 17. Cormier's testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL, lower than average, but higher than Jones's.

Kevin Iole with Yahoo Sports spoke with Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of Montreal's Laboratoire de contrôle du dopage INRS, one of 32 WADA-accredited labs worldwide.

“I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal,”said Dr. Ayotte.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...spicious-found

If the head of a WADA laboratory thinks .4 and .48 are not abnormal, I wonder what she thinks of .8 and .69.

Now go away. Only you want to keep bringing this up because you are embarrassed that you consistently get stomped, and you are embarrassed that Pacquiao lost. Go cry to someone else.

In those cases, the T/E results came from NSAC not USADA since USADA does not disclose the full results to NSAC..... and its just like Floyd wants it!

"All of this leads to another issue. As noted by NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, “As of now, USADA does not give us the full test results. They give us the contracts for drug testing and summaries that tell us whether a fighter has tested positive or negative. It is incumbent on them to notify us if a fighter tests positive. But no, they don’t give us the full test results.”


Dr Ayotte cannot declare someone positive for PEDs unless she is very sure about it. But if asked on if she would conclude that the results stand for themselves, she would be laughing at you.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69. “That’s a warning flag,” says Don Catlin who founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in 1982 and is one of the founders of modern drug testing in sports.

Other experts say the same "But an abnormally low T-E ratio is a red flag" says Conte


As for the IV
"“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive therapeutic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather
"I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules.


Even experts are baffled at Floyd getting the IV and the retro TUE.

[ADP02]

Hahahahahahahaha! Jhonny hopes to never see Floyd fight again.

I'm with Jhonny!


This is what Floyd had in store for us. Not that I was surprised since he does like to cherry pick ....


Read the below:
"The father/trainer of Floyd Mayweather Jr, the undefeated pound for pound king says his son is looking to get in some easy fights before he retires. But if that’s the case Floyd Sr believes is that’s the way Mayweather is going to approach whats left of his career, then he should retire right away instead of sticking around for easy fights.

Mayweather Sr told Mlive.com “Floyd told me he wants to get a couple of easy fights. My honest opinion is, if he feels that way he should get out of the game.”

[travestyny]

You must be the only person on this planet that cannot see the similarities between Floyd and Lance.
- Both had their representatives pay off organizations that later came back to help them out with a favor.

Misleading -- Paid them off? Do you accuse Arum of paying of VADA? And where was the favor if everything was done according to the WADA code?

- Both used an IV just before giving their samples

Misleading -- One had an IV smuggled to him. The other gave a partial urine sample before the IV and fully disclosed the intent to take the IV before doing so.

- Both delayed to give their sample

Irrelevant -- This is obviously a common enough occurrence for any athlete, since WADA mentions the proper steps on how to deal with this situation in their ISTUE.

- Both got a RETRO TUE after the fact.

Fallacy -- Floyd got a retroactive TUE which was in accordance with the WADA ISTUE. Lance Armstrong got a retroactive prescription, which by the way, was against the UCI rules book. Look for yourself.

- BOTH were heavily protected by those they paid off.

Fallacy -- Again, one followed the rules, and one didn't. Your "paid off" accusation has zero proof.

- BOTH have fans that are talking like you are doing.

FALLACY -- I am giving you facts. You are speculating. If Armstrong's fans had some damn facts, obviously USADA wouldn't have been able to bust his ass.

And lastly, Armstrong was destroyed by USADA. The retroactive prescription had nothing to do with USADA. They were neither responsible for nor involved in that mess.

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Not a big scandal? It knocked off the NFL (start if season) as #1 news.

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Seems only you and I are still talking about it. This is mostly because you are still butthurt over Pacquiao's loss.

T/E ratios were off and highly suspicious. Actually more than just highly suspicious. So you didn't find that suspicious? Really?

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Already gave you information that shows there was nothing inherently off about the T/E ratios.

USADA: Floyd waits until the last minute to call a fight. How many weeks could they have tested for the Berto fight? 4-5 weeks? Floyd was cycling off his PEDs and needed more time.

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If his usual MO is to cycle off PEDs before testing starts, why the hell would he need an IV to cover up PED use? Do you now realize how idiotic your speculation is?

WADA - VADA: Manny didn't get sweet heart deals such that he can get a TUE after the fact. Floyd was allowed to.

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Take it up with NSAC. It had nothing to do with USADA, and NSAC explained why they disallowed the medication. Also, it makes zero sense to allow a fighter to use Toradol when the fighter himself says he is absolutely fine before the match.

Both Manny and Floyd did NOT tell the NSAC about their medical conditions. Well, Manny at least told them about the medications used. Floyd NOTHING. Manny was told off by both the NSAC and USADA. Floyd was not even given a slap on the wrist and in fact, they protected him. WHy investigate Manny and not Floyd? Both hid their medical conditions.

As you know, IV's are not illegal according to NSAC's rules. NSAC came down on Manny because he attempted to take medication for no apparent reason, went on record saying that he didn't have any injuries, and his team blatantly lied and tried to throw NSAC under the bus by saying they sent in paperwork revealing the injury, which was proven to be false. This amounted to an attack on NSAC, and they attacked back. I can't blame them.

Why did USADA protect Floyd and throw Manny under the bus? USADA said that Manny should have told NSAC if they had a medical condition before the fight. This is while knowing that Floyd said NOTHING!!!!!

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Once again, the IV was not against NSAC's rules. USADA had nothing to do with the relationship between Pacquiao and NSAC according to that matter. NSAC sent their doctors to check out Manny, deemed he was fine, and made the decision that he should not be allowed to take the medication. Furthermore, they stated that it was an easy decision for them to make!

Approval of RETRO TUE: Nice try but the main point is that USADA did not investigate to check Floyd's version. It was approved before they even got it ....

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What the actual **** are you talking about and what do you base that on? Retroactive TUE's are reviewed by the therapeutic use exemption committee the same exact manner in which they review any application for a therapeutic use exemption.

Floyd did NOT require an IV and you know it. All Floyd had to do is drink and the DCO would have had his sample soon after ..... but Floyd was delaying for a reason .... get the PEDs out of his system!!!
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More speculation. I suggest you go look up the application for the TUE to find out why it was granted. Once again, there are circumstances, stated by WADA (yes WADA, not USADA) that make IV rehydration more appropriate than oral hydration. So go get his medical records and have at it. Otherwise, this is simply more speculation.


Now that I've wasted my time shutting down all of your bullshlt, let me shut this down for good. Same question I asked you on the other thread.

Can you explain how masking with an IV works? Once you do that, I'll show you why this bs is so ******ed that no one else talks about it except for you.

[A-Wolf]

I say yes. His head grew from a 6-3/4 to an 8-1/4 in the span of three or four years. Sorry, that doesn't happen.

[travestyny]

In those cases, the T/E results came from NSAC not USADA since USADA does not disclose the full results to NSAC..... and its just like Floyd wants it!

"All of this leads to another issue. As noted by NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, “As of now, USADA does not give us the full test results. They give us the contracts for drug testing and summaries that tell us whether a fighter has tested positive or negative. It is incumbent on them to notify us if a fighter tests positive. But no, they don’t give us the full test results.”

Why the hell are you wasting your time writing this drivel. Use your brain. Once again, the labs that perform the tests are WADA accredited, and they are independent of USADA. The samples are sent to the lab with no identification of whom the samples are from, and if there is any positive test, the results are immediately sent to WADA. Sorry. You just come off looking like a fool once again.

Dr Ayotte cannot declare someone positive for PEDs unless she is very sure about it. But if asked on if she would conclude that the results stand for themselves, she would be laughing at you.j

Well well well. Look how ironic this statement is. The head of a WADA accredited laboratory can't declare someone positive for PED's just based on T/E ratio, but you can? lol. By the way, thank you for agreeing with me that the ratio taken by itself is not conclusive of anything. It's me that's laughing at you.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69. “That’s a warning flag,” says Don Catlin who founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in 1982 and is one of the founders of modern drug testing in sports.

Other experts say the same "But an abnormally low T-E ratio is a red flag" says Conte

And I just showed you where the head of a WADA accredited lab said it's not abnormal at all. The most you have is a claim that it is a "red flag." Do you know what red flag means? A red flag is the best you can do, apparently. Sorry..that's not good enough.

As for the IV
"“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive therapeutic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather
"I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules.

Let's remove Conte from this all together, knowing that USADA played a part in his ass being convicted and locked up. You did know that, right?

Now, you conveniently left out part of Catlin's statement. I wonder why. I doubt it was a mistake, but in case it was:

Catlin said, " USADA has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Mayweather needed an IV infusion. There might be a valid explanation, but I don’t know what it is.”

Makes sense that he doesn't know what it is, because it doesn't involve him.



I'm tired of cutting through your bull****. Give up already.

[Divine Hammer]

failed 3 drug tests swept under rug by usada, illegal use of IV for masking peds, connection with trt clinic, father uses roids, fighters he specifically manages use roids, etc. etc. its all plain as day.