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Old 12-01-2019, 06:35 PM #61
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Ortiz thought he did everything right and got into the WBA mandatory position BEFORE the Joshua-Klitschko fight, only to get bypassed by Joshua.

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You keep overlooking the fact that Ortiz made an agreement with the WBA to fight Vidondo for the interim title on the condition that he would fight Jennings then Ustinov. He fought Jennings then after that fought Tony Thompson. The Ustinov fight was available for May and Ortiz said no, then there was a purse bid for that fight and Ortiz still refused. That is why the WBA stripped him.

He broke the contract and yet folks expect him to fight for the WBA world title then? Not gonna happen.
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Old 12-01-2019, 07:45 PM #62
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It has a lot to do with his trainer saying this ... "There is a reason people don’t fight him, and Deontay said it best"

And this ... “Luis has never said no to anybody. He picks up the phone and says ‘yes’ without knowing who the opponent is”
1. Ortiz never said no to Joshua.
2. Turning down a fight doesn't mean a fighter will lose or is afraid to lose.
3. You still made zero correlation between the predicted results of a proposed fight between Ortiz and Whyte (whom he said yes to fighting) and a fight between Joshua and Ortiz that didn't happen.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:13 AM #63
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You keep overlooking the fact that Ortiz made an agreement with the WBA to fight Vidondo for the interim title on the condition that he would fight Jennings then Ustinov. He fought Jennings then after that fought Tony Thompson. The Ustinov fight was available for May and Ortiz said no, then there was a purse bid for that fight and Ortiz still refused. That is why the WBA stripped him.

He broke the contract and yet folks expect him to fight for the WBA world title then? Not gonna happen.
...and yet he remained #1 in the WBA rankings and Klitschko was #2. Joshua was the IBF champion and wasn't ranked in the WBA. When Ortiz signed with Matchroom, they enticed him with the Klitschko fight, but somehow Joshua took his place and Ortiz was sidelined. Essentially, Joshua AND Klitschko were able to avoid fighting Ortiz for the WBA belt.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:47 AM #64
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You keep overlooking the fact that Ortiz made an agreement with the WBA to fight Vidondo for the interim title on the condition that he would fight Jennings then Ustinov. He fought Jennings then after that fought Tony Thompson. The Ustinov fight was available for May and Ortiz said no, then there was a purse bid for that fight and Ortiz still refused. That is why the WBA stripped him.

He broke the contract and yet folks expect him to fight for the WBA world title then? Not gonna happen.
Whooooaaaahhhh, Im sorry this post will have to be deleted, this post contains to much FACT. Im sorry dude these idiots dont deal in facts they only deal in lies and spin. FACTS are not taken in to account of their arguments so im afraid that post is just going to confuse them and they will just call it the devils work.
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:15 AM #65
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1. Ortiz never said no to Joshua.
2. Turning down a fight doesn't mean a fighter will lose or is afraid to lose.
3. You still made zero correlation between the predicted results of a proposed fight between Ortiz and Whyte (whom he said yes to fighting) and a fight between Joshua and Ortiz that didn't happen.
Ortiz did say no to fighting AJ. His own trainer and manager verified that. It isn't an opinion, it is a fact.

Maye you can explain the correlation between the predicted results of a proposed fight between Ortiz and Whyte and a fight between Joshua and Ortiz that didn't happen, as it was you who introduced that into this discussion, not me.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:25 AM #66
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Ortiz did say no to fighting AJ. His own trainer and manager verified that. It isn't an opinion, it is a fact.

Maye you can explain the correlation between the predicted results of a proposed fight between Ortiz and Whyte and a fight between Joshua and Ortiz that didn't happen, as it was you who introduced that into this discussion, not me.
Actually Jay Jimenez confirmed that they wanted the fight but that the promoter bungled the negotiation by asking for more money but not relaying to him or Ortiz what was happening. Both Jimenez and Ortiz are on record asking Hearn to not walk away from negotiations but to make a deal. Understandably Hearn moved on. That's the facts.

I asked you what the correlation was (rhetorical question to be honest) and you gave a bs response. You guys are weird. Instead of arguing for as many fights and matchups as possible you come on here to argue why they guys you like don't have to fight anybody with a pulse that isn't a champion already.

Ortiz Whyte is the perfect match up. Two PED guys who need a "clean" win over a top performing fighter.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:51 AM #67
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Actually Jay Jimenez confirmed that they wanted the fight but that the promoter bungled the negotiation by asking for more money but not relaying to him or Ortiz what was happening. Both Jimenez and Ortiz are on record asking Hearn to not walk away from negotiations but to make a deal. Understandably Hearn moved on. That's the facts.

I asked you what the correlation was (rhetorical question to be honest) and you gave a bs response.You guys are weird. Instead of arguing for as many fights and matchups as possible you come on here to argue why they guys you like don't have to fight anybody with a pulse that isn't a champion already.

Ortiz Whyte is the perfect match up. Two PED guys who need a "clean" win over a top performing fighter.
I answered your rhetorical question by saying I don't know what the correlation is.

I'm not arguing that Ortiz vs Whyte shouldn't happen. Again, that's something you brought up, not me.
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