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Old 07-15-2018, 06:35 AM #171
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It is shocking isn't it. Can any Wilder fans take a look at that list and defend it? Then compare it to AJ's who has taken on much bigger fights at much earlier stages of his career? It is obvious who takes risks and challenges and who doesn't in their career.
How do you find the ranking of an opponent at the time they fought someone? I had a look at AJ's here:
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and would've thought that from Kevin Johnson onwards he's stepped up. Even in the first few fights the likes of Skelton and Sprott would've been ranked at one point.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:06 AM #172
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No you don't. AJ demanded rematch clause.
A rematch clause is not unusual for A sides to include in the contract.
But that doesn't mean he gets to dictate everything in the rematch if he loses.
Are you saying it's the reason why Wilder didn't sign?
(I'm expecting to see you respond with the missing date and place, which could have been hashed out in 5-10 minutes.)
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:13 AM #173
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Wow... Great post. I knew he'd fought a lot of dross but until you see it laid out like that the full extent isn't obvious.

I'll try and remember this next time someone starts talking about Wilder going 51-0.
Don't forget that 8 of Wilders first 22 opponents are Cruiserweights

Even worse
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:35 AM #174
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It is shocking isn't it. Can any Wilder fans take a look at that list and defend it? Then compare it to AJ's who has taken on much bigger fights at much earlier stages of his career? It is obvious who takes risks and challenges and who doesn't in their career.

Joshua's just beaten Parker in a unification fight. At this stage in Wilder's career he'd fought 368th ranked Marlon Hayes...
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Wilder’s Record:

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)
He fought 7 times per year at one point in his career.
They're clearly trying to manufacture an undefeated guy based on beating bums.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:48 AM #176
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It is shocking isn't it. Can any Wilder fans take a look at that list and defend it? Then compare it to AJ's who has taken on much bigger fights at much earlier stages of his career? It is obvious who takes risks and challenges and who doesn't in their career.
What they will do is keep talking about Wlad being 41 years old when he fought Joshua...but like I stated before, Finkel would not let Wilder fight Wlad.
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A rematch clause is not unusual for A sides to include in the contract.
But that doesn't mean he gets to dictate everything in the rematch if he loses.
Funny thing is that folks don't mention that Parker was able to agree to the terms to fight Joshua with a rematch clause...and the date and venue were not in place yet.
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Funny thing is that folks don't mention that Parker was able to agree to the terms to fight Joshua with a rematch clause...and the date and venue were not in place yet.
Wilder and Winkel will always find excuses to turn down the fight.
They want Breazeale, not Joshua.
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A rematch clause is not unusual for A sides to include in the contract.
Of course it's not. But UK fans can't say "Wilder wants a rematch and therefore is scared" while AJ is also demanding one.


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Are you saying it's the reason why Wilder didn't sign?
Even Hearn has admitted that Finkel conceded the point and Wilder was willing to sign without a rematch.

Wilder didn't sign because he was never given the opportunity to sign for what had been agreed to -- the fight being next. Hearn sent a blank contract and said give me a few days to send you the date. Then a few days past and Hearn said he'd decided to fight Povetkin next and the date would be April.

Wilder never ever had a chance to sign for 2018.
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Wilder fans need to stop saying he accepted the deal. He didn't as he didn't sign the contract. If someone says I accept the deal but then don't return the contract they havnt accepted the deal. Actions speak louder than words.
He was never sent a contract that reflected what was agreed to. They agreed to the fight being next, but then Hearn refused to send a contract that said the fight would be next.
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