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who has the superior jab? wlad or pulev
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View Postliston was only like 6 foot. Wlad would jab him down real bad. Face the facts old timer.
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View Postdo you think holmes, liston, ali beat Wladimir?
Liston would have a punchers chance but stylistically its a bad matchup for him.
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Originally posted by beez721 View Postlol,,,,ok sonny boy. liston was only 6'1 but he had an amazing 84 inch reach. height isnt everything. I think wlad probably would have beaten liston but I also think listons jab was every bit as devastating
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Klitschko's jab is not on level with the very best jabs in history. Guys like Ali, Holmes, Liston and even Bowe.
Wlad paws with the jab too much. Exactly like Lennox Lewis.
I put them on the same level.
Does he have the ability to throw a great powerful jab? Absolutely. And so he did back in 02-04. Now it's a measuring stick mostly. His jab-right hand 10 years ago was a thing of beauty. But it didn't last long enough for me to call it the best in history by any stretch.
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View Postdo you think holmes, liston, ali beat Wladimir?
i think wladimir would knock liston out, but liston's enough of a puncher, and wladimir's chin is bad enough to make it extremely dangerous.
holmes and ali beat him. i think ali would have more trouble than holmes. holmes could really punch himself, and would win via knockout.
the key to beating wladimir is getting to that chin. most of the great HW have had great chins. only patterson comes to mind when i think of historic level HW with bad chins. wladimir's a unique quantity in that he's both giant and has a bad chin.
is wladimir so big and good that he'd outclass a great HW? i don't think so. eventually these guys would catch up to him. foreman would catch up to him early. that's the only HW that i think would truly run over wladimir.
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Originally posted by New England View Posti think wladimir would knock liston out, but liston's enough of a puncher, and wladimir's chin is bad enough to make it extremely dangerous.
holmes and ali beat him. i think ali would have more trouble than holmes. holmes could really punch himself, and would win via knockout.
the key to beating wladimir is getting to that chin. most of the great HW have had great chins. only patterson comes to mind when i think of historic level HW with bad chins. wladimir's a unique quantity in that he's both giant and has a bad chin.
is wladimir so big and good that he'd outclass a great HW? i don't think so. eventually these guys would catch up to him. foreman would catch up to him early. that's the only HW that i think would truly run over wladimir.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostKlitschko's jab is not on level with the very best jabs in history. Guys like Ali, Holmes, Liston and even Bowe.
Wlad paws with the jab too much. Exactly like Lennox Lewis.
I put them on the same level.
Does he have the ability to throw a great powerful jab? Absolutely. And so he did back in 02-04. Now it's a measuring stick mostly. His jab-right hand 10 years ago was a thing of beauty. But it didn't last long enough for me to call it the best in history by any stretch.
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