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How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?
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Originally posted by jack p View PostI think Dempsey has a strong chance of bombing Wilder out of there, though.
Hes to quick. They cant avoid his rushes
Its the small quick guys he struggled with. You saw how quick he moves with Willard. He is in his prime as a fighter. His body weights moving like lightning. The Bigger his opponent
the larger the target Dempsey has to aim out..
Dempseys a fast starter. His one thought is to get on his man and knock him horizontal[/QUOTE]
Well said. What worked against Fury will get him killed by Dempsey. Szpilka and Ortiz were almost too much him.
Dempsey had even better head-movement than Fury. Not as trained, but better spatial awareness.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostRocky also liked to eat. Believe me, if someone had convinced him that being over 200 would increase his success he would have jumped at the chance. No...fighters back then were taught to carry no extra weight and for good reason. Extra weight can be understood thusly: If one takes a ruck and fills it with rocks and puts it on their back.
You can even read some of the ideas proposed back then. The issue was very clear: you didn't come into the ring with extra weight.
This discussion is as common in this section as a summer's day in July. "bigness" is a quality that far exceeds weight. My mother in law was 280...she was hardly ready to challenge for the heavyweight title. There is bone strength and density for example. I was once told that an XRay i took was not coming out because my leg bones were unusually dense. There is also the size of hands, shoulders, neck, etc. where is the weight?
At any rate Rocky would be a heavy in any era. Cunningham versus Fury was a decent scrap... Fury is so much better since, but Marciano was so much better than Cunningham, and so it goes lol.
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Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni View PostNot well. Fury is a way too big. It's like asking how would Whitaker or Pep fare against those guys.
I think Dempsey has a strong chance of bombing Wilder out of there, though.
Frazier, Tyson (who Fury famously said would KO him in one round), Toney, Johnson, Mercer, Prime Evander ?Last edited by Dempsey19; 07-19-2019, 12:57 AM.Ascended likes this.
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Originally posted by jack p View PostYou said. "light-heavyweights tend to weigh over 190 lbs in the ring;" Light heavyweight Division is 175 maximum. If you mean there weighing 190 and cutting to to 175 to fight? Marcianos not gonna be able to cut to 175. Hes not a small even a big one light heavy he cant even get to 175
The Marciano of historical record would easily be able to weigh in at 175lbs or under; as he fought in the heavyweight division there was no reason for him to dehydrate himself to meet any weight limit.Last edited by GelfSara; 07-18-2019, 11:00 PM.
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Originally posted by jack p View PostYou said. "light-heavyweights tend to weigh over 190 lbs in the ring;" Light heavyweight Division is 175 maximum. If you mean there weighing 190 and cutting to to 175 to fight? Marcianos not gonna be able to cut to 175. Hes not a small even a big one light heavy he cant even get to 175
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Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni View PostP4P Marciano is one of the best to ever lace them up. I dunno how he beats a man a full foot taller than him, though.
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Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni View PostP4P Marciano is one of the best to ever lace them up. I dunno how he beats a man a full foot taller than him, though.
My own opinion is that you need to be about 220 to be the archetype...the size where anything above and beyond is not as important if you are TRULY a 220 nothing extra and punch like a mule.
BY the way: Tunney thought the archetypical weight was 195, a little light for my tastes.
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