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Top 10 Middleweights 21st Century
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Originally posted by DreamerUSA View PostThe late 80's to mid 90's is arguably one of the strongest periods in middleweight history. Here is Ring's top ten in 1990 and it does'nt even include McClellan, RJJ, Bhop, or Toney.
Michael Nunn
Julian Jackson
Sumbu Kalambay
Mike McCallum
Steve Collins
Chris Eubank
Roberto Duran
Michael Watson
Nigel Benn
Reggie Johnson
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Originally posted by soul_survivor View PostSadly, I almost agree with this. I won't use the word pathetic because we have still had the smarts of Hopkins and the brilliance of Martinez pass through the division, as well as cameos from Tito, Oscar, Winky, Williams and a handful of others. Pavlik and Taylor weren't bad and Golovkin has the tools to be a very, very good fight but just lacks the opponents.
I wonder what a welterweight or lightweight or featherweight top 10 would look like? Would they be similarly top heavy and weak in depth?
Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostIt's messed up. MW is one of the best historical divisions, but it gets worse by the decade. I hope Canelo sticks around a while, because MW needs his starpower.Last edited by kiaba360; 08-04-2015, 11:20 AM.
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Originally posted by DreamerUSA View PostBetter fighter? Certainly.
Better middleweight? No and it is'nt even close. 95% of Winky's best work was done at 154.
Originally posted by BertoRollin' View PostGood list but I would put William Joppy over Oscar.
Oscar lost to B-Hop and the Sturm fight was a robbery.
Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostHe may have burned out quick, but I think Taylor was a better middleweight than Martinez at his best. Pavlik was at his best as well. The drunk, fading version of Pavlik put Sergio on his ass and won 4 rounds.
Originally posted by DreamerUSA View PostThe late 80's to mid 90's is arguably one of the strongest periods in middleweight history. Here is Ring's top ten in 1990 and it does'nt even include McClellan, RJJ, Bhop, or Toney.
Michael Nunn
Julian Jackson
Sumbu Kalambay
Mike McCallum
Steve Collins
Chris Eubank
Roberto Duran
Michael Watson
Nigel Benn
Reggie Johnson
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Originally posted by deanrw View PostAll divisions above lightweight are comparatively weak compared to how they used to be.
Originally posted by kiaba360 View PostWhat bothers me is that Tito and Oscar were just visitors. They helped bring a spotlight on the division, but they didn't really accomplish much. When I think of top 10, I assume that the fighters on the list will have a lengthy campaign at the weight in question. The other thing is that GGG only has a connection to one other name on that list (Geale). Three of those names could've fought him and didn't. What works in GGG's favor is that Macklin/Murray acted as bridges between himself and Sergio/Sturm. Still, I would've liked to watch GGG beat Sturm's face in.
I too would have preferred GGG v Sturm at some stage but Geale and Macklin and Murray haven't been bad opponents for him. The likes of Stevens and Rosado and so on are quite abysmal but when GGG has gone in against good middleweights (comparatively speaking of course), he has delat with them convincingly.
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Just a thought:
The lack of recent quality at MW may be due to the increase in guys at both lmw and smw, which is obviously helped by the 24 hour rehydration/weigh in limit. Guys that once could have made mw are happy a few pounds higher or lower, without the added intensity of making 160.
Just look at those two divisions and the guys that have fought there over the last 15 years or so: Calzaghe, Froch, Ward, Mayweather, Cotto, Canelo, Oscar, Winky, Martinez, Williams...these are all either exceptional fighters or super stars and yet only a handful of them have had the time to go to middleweight.
Before the likes of Eubank, Benn, Oscar, Mosley, Tito, Vargas and so on made smw and lmw lucrative divisions, guys fought at middleweight to make their money, guys that couldnt make 147 or 165, that money and starpower has now shifted to 154 and 168.
Just at thought.
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Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
Pretty decent list in 1990 but not a single truly great fighter in there...an argument can be made for Nunn and Eubank but guys like Kalambay, Jackson....good fighter but not spectacular. The fact that Duran is in there damn near 40 years old tells us something too lol But it's better than what we see now , no doubt.
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Originally posted by DreamerUSA View PostI'm not claiming they were all ATG's, just saying as far as a competitive division that list is pretty insane. To add to Nunn and Eubank. I think Mcacallum is an absolute beast and I believe he would of given any middleweight from any era a run for their money. A truly underrated fighter imo.
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