So, no one in a Golovkin type situation (dominates everyone, all of whom are forgettable) has gone down as a memorable fighter?
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To be remembered as a "boxing great", do you have to share the ring with big names?
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Originally posted by Redd Foxx View PostSo, no one in a Golovkin type situation (dominates everyone, all of whom are forgettable) has gone down as a memorable fighter?
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Originally posted by Redd Foxx View PostSo, no one in a Golovkin type situation (dominates everyone, all of whom are forgettable) has gone down as a memorable fighter?
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Yes, you pretty much do. Marciano and Tyson will be remembered for their dominance but not much else. Don't get me wrong. I loved watching them fight and they'd compete in any era. They may not have had the best competition but they blew through them. GGG is on this same path unless he changes it by getting the names or moving up.
However, Duran had Leonard. Leonard had Hearns. Hearns had Hagler. Pep had Saddler. Robinson had LaMotta. Ali had Frazier. Pac had Marquez. And most of these are vice versa. Every fighter's stock goes up when they face a great fighter in their prime win lose or draw. I think the Kessler situation stated above is a good example. He may have lost but he held his own and looked good against all of the prime guys he fought. Stepping up to even fight them is the test these days. In the old days, it was pretty common.
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Originally posted by Redd Foxx View PostSo, no one in a Golovkin type situation (dominates everyone, all of whom are forgettable) has gone down as a memorable fighter?
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Originally posted by anthonydavid11 View PostYes, Tyson and Marciano and Ricardo Lopez of course. How are they not memorable? Tyson didn't get famous from his acting. Geez.
Again, what I'm pondering is not how good these guys are, but how much significance names play in a fighter's place in history. For instance, Canelo was built up into something huge by feasting on guys with recognizable names, even though they were all shot (Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, etc). Names got him the attention early on, not necessarily the quality of his fights. When we look back 30 years later, do the guys who didn't share the ring with recognizable names disappear from our memories?
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Originally posted by Redd Foxx View PostTyson and Marciano I can't include alongside Golovkin because they were in there with some names, even if the names were either faded, or beat them (Tyson).
Again, what I'm pondering is not how good these guys are, but how much significance names play in a fighter's place in history. For instance, Canelo was built up into something huge by feasting on guys with recognizable names, even though they were all shot (Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, etc). Names got him the attention early on, not necessarily the quality of his fights. When we look back 30 years later, do the guys who didn't share the ring with recognizable names disappear from our memories?
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Originally posted by Redd Foxx View PostThis isn't an ulterior motive thread, and it's not about criticizing any fighters. I'm not much of a historian so you need to help me. Please name some fighters that are remembered as "boxing greats", who never shared the ring with another "boxing great".
When I think of boxing legends whose resumes are criticized (Calzaghe, Tyson, Marciano, etc) they were all at least in the ring with memorable fighters. It seems as if that's a prerequisite, even if those fighters were faded or you lost to them.
The reason I didn't stick this in the history section is that modern fighters are what sparks the topic. Golovkin is highly talented, but will history forget him if he doesn't get a chance to fight another memorable fighter? Has Canelo already earned a place in history having shared the ring with Floyd, Mosley, and Cotto?
What's your take?
I say no, but it helps. You may not have ATG's available in your era and that's not your fault. You might get avoided by ATG's and that's also not your fault. Accomplishments matter regardless of if you land the money fights, the biggest fights, because that could be out of your control.
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It certainly helps your legacy, obviously.
I do believe this thread could be in the history section
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