Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: Sick of Situation, Joshua Contract is One-Sided!

[Jaycee100]

Wilder’s Record:

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

[rickJen]

"Contract is one-sided"

He is the A side, clown.
That's why you need this fight to make you A side.
Then you get to make the contract one-sided in the rematch.
Duh...

[Jab jab boom]

With the judges help or not, there isn’t a single fight Canelo has won that he shouldn’t have. Not agreeing with the GGG decision doesn’t make it wrong. Winning a fight isnt the same as winning a boxing match. There are different variables as to what people score in a point based system.
Neither you nor myself like the way judging can sometimes go but outside of that Mayweather score, I can see the rest (unless there’s one I’m missing.)

Now, who are the four better MWs than Canelo that aren’t GGG because they drew.

Aj deserves his stardom as well.

The problem with your view is that you get too into your feelings and start saying crazy things like people will “blindly” follow others.

It’s not about being blind or not, it’s about a combination of entertainment, charisma, and skill.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people might just LIKE to watch someone fight?

No one is claiming that Canelo is the GOAT but there is a certain allure/magnetism about his style that people just like. People just like him man.

Same for Joshua.

Your viewpoint is so bitter, jaded, and entitled that you just lack the big picture imo.

Look, no one says AJ is Ali. No one claims he has that resume. You can discredit Wlad and sure, he’s an old guy coming off a loss to a gypsy who had a mental break down..but you know what? He’s still Wlad and it’s the best next thing to have happened after the Fury debacle.

You dont think the average person just thinks it’s really f ucking cool that their countryman who just represented them in the olympics and won gold (IN LONDON so everyone saw) has gone pro, is knocking everyone out and quickly won a hw title? And now he fights Wladimir and has a classic, high drama, elite level hw fight where both men showed their mettle?

The average fan doesnt care avout c unty debates like us. We’re not average fans here. Most of us here have either boxed and/or have developed a good knowledge over a long period of time.

It’s not always about who WE know is the best when it comes to star power. It’s about being the best that people know.


You gonna order the 4* rated item on amazon with one review and very little info or the 4* one with 4000 reviews with a lot of questions answered?

It never happens by accident. Aj and Canelo are legit as f uck and in the conversation as the best AND people love them. And sometimes that’s enough man.


And my bad about the long posts. When I’m real busy I have to come back to my posts and do them piece by piece and end up not realizing how long winded my s hit is and refuse to delete the rest. Thanks for respecting enough to read my s hit

1. With Canelo, he certainly could've lost his fight vs lara but that fact that Canelo is the bigger name I think helped him. The scorecards (aside from mayweather) that I'm referring to are the 10-2 scorecard for him vs trout, 9-3 vs lara, 11-1 vs cotto, and 10-2 vs ggg. That can't be a coincidence and those judges went into those fights not giving their opponents any opportunity to have a fair shot. Even if you think Canelo won, he was not dominant in any of those fights but he always gets those scorecards. As far as middleweights, I already feel he lost to ggg and think there is a good chance that jacobs, charlo and saunders can beat him. 2. When I say fans follow Canelo and aj blindly, I mean that they defend everything about them. They'll defend bad scorecards, they'll defend obvious delaying of big fights by justifying nonsense like flat fee offers or justify opponents like a Chavez jr, or amir khan, or aj opting for povtekin instead of genuinely trying to make the wilder fight etc. 3. My stance remains that Canelo and aj fans primarily ride for them because they share a nationality or ethnicity with them because unbiased fans should acknowledge bs when they see it regardless if they like the fighter or not. If Canelo wasn't Mexican, you think these same fans who praise him, defend him, swear it was tainted meat and attack everything about ggg because he's a Canelo opponent would still do so? I doubt it.

[rickJen]

You avoided Klitschko and now you're not happy with the situation?
Biggest joke in boxing.

[JRB123]

What like Wilder does?

Why didn't Wilder ever fight Wlad? All he had to do was get to a mandatory position like Fury did.... He turned pro just before Fury and Fury didn't win no Olympic medal like Wilder did, Fury was man enough to do the job.

Because Finkel never wanted Wilder to fight him. He knew Wilder would lose badly.

[N/A]

They will just hang Wilder out to dry. Who the ***** does he think he is acting like the A side?

He accepted a flat fee and agreed to go to the UK. That isn't acting like an A side. Hearn didn't keep his word about the fight being next, so Wilder is moving on. Wilder vs. Fury is a more significant heavyweight fight in world boxing than anybody AJ can fight if he can't fight Wilder or Fury. So if AJ isn't willing to make respectable reasonable offers, and ends up pushing Wilder and Fury into each other's arms, AJ loses out of his two biggest paydays.

He cannot crack $3m per fight on his own.

So Cotto only got 700k for his retirement fight huh?

[N/A]

Then you get to make the contract one-sided in the rematch.

No you don't. AJ demanded rematch clause.

[Throwingbombs]

He accepted a flat fee and agreed to go to the UK. That isn't acting like an A side. Hearn didn't keep his word about the fight being next, so Wilder is moving on. Wilder vs. Fury is a more significant heavyweight fight in world boxing than anybody AJ can fight if he can't fight Wilder or Fury. So if AJ isn't willing to make respectable reasonable offers, and ends up pushing Wilder and Fury into each other's arms, AJ loses out of his two biggest paydays.




So Cotto only got 700k for his retirement fight huh?

Wilder fans need to stop saying he accepted the deal. He didn't as he didn't sign the contract. If someone says I accept the deal but then don't return the contract they havnt accepted the deal. Actions speak louder than words.

[Holler]

Wilder’s Record:

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

Wow... Great post. I knew he'd fought a lot of dross but until you see it laid out like that the full extent isn't obvious.

I'll try and remember this next time someone starts talking about Wilder going 51-0.

[Throwingbombs]

Wow... Great post. I knew he'd fought a lot of dross but until you see it laid out like that the full extent isn't obvious.

I'll try and remember this next time someone starts talking about Wilder going 51-0.

It is shocking isn't it. Can any Wilder fans take a look at that list and defend it? Then compare it to AJ's who has taken on much bigger fights at much earlier stages of his career? It is obvious who takes risks and challenges and who doesn't in their career.