If HWs today are so much better because of size than...

[bojangles1987]

...how come so many cruiserweights and 200 pound guys are among the best at HW during Wlad's reign?

Chris Byrd was a 200 pounder and he is Wlad's best win.

Wlad's second best win, David Haye, was a cruiserweight that became the 2nd best HW almost the moment he walked into the division.

James Toney was boxing obese at HW and he beat Holyfield, Ruiz, and Peter.

Roy Jones Jr. weighed in at 193 and beat Ruiz better than most HWs ever did.

Marco Huck is a cruiserweight and a lot of people think he beat Povetkin, one of Wlad's best wins.

Tomasz Adamek was a past prime cruiserweight and he beat top 10 HWs after moving up.

Steve Cunningham is a cruiserweight and he floored Fury and beat Monsour, who people were hyping. He also beat Adamek.

Eddie Chambers was huge at 220, and his best around 210.

If all these supposed 240 pound monsters are so much better, why are they losing to all the guys just as small as fighters in inferior eras?

[daggum]

pretty sure butterbean is better than all those guys you mentioned.

[4Corners]

Klitschkos are both good. There's no denying the talent level they've had to go through though.....leaves a lot to be desired.

[Weltschmerz]

Chris Byrd was a 200 pounder and he is Wlad's best win.

No, he is not.

Wlad's second best win, David Haye, was a cruiserweight that became the 2nd best HW almost the moment he walked into the division.

Wrong, everything.

James Toney was boxing obese at HW and he beat Holyfield, Ruiz, and Peter.

James Toney is an ATG.

Roy Jones Jr. weighed in at 193 and beat Ruiz better than most HWs ever did.

Roy Jones Jr is an ATG.

Marco Huck is a cruiserweight and a lot of people think he beat Povetkin, one of Wlad's best wins.

Well, Povetkin won.

Steve Cunningham is a cruiserweight and he floored Fury and beat Monsour, who people were hyping. He also beat Adamek.

Well, Fury and Adamek beat him in the end.

Eddie Chambers was huge at 220, and his best around 210.

Your point being exactly what?

[Ray Corso]

The only people who think their better are their fans! What do they know their just fans!

Men who are 6'5" and above are not coordinated for boxing in almost all cases. You can take pro football players and tremendous NBA athletes and put them in the ring and most will look awkward and uncoordinated!
Boxing is a very difficult physical sport to master and the larger the frame the more difficult it becomes.
That's why so much amazement is given to Ali for his incredible movement and coordination. At 6' 3 1/2" its rare to have anyone move like he did. Cleveland Williams comes to mind and Wlad but they look like robots compared to Ali.
I remember when Too Tall Jones tried his hand at boxing, he had 3 pro fights and he looked like he was in cement. At 6'9" and considered agile for his size on a football field Ed was a terrific football player but in a ring he was falling over himself without getting hit!

"Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the "fight" in the dog"!

Ray Corso

[IMDAZED]

They aren't better and I think most boxing fans know this. Quite frankly, most of the HW's today suck. I'd take a prime Evander over all of them. A prime, motivated Mercer even. Wladimir is the only great among them and it's hard to really judge him because his opposition is abysmal. Tim Weatherspoon would feast in this era.

[Elroy1]

I'll answer to that...

In previous times what was called HW was really a combination of HW and CW.

Then it became unfair because the size of fighters kept going up, so they raised the limit to 200lbs. Now it's becoming unfair again. WK's lightest opponent was 210lbs.

With the single exception of Jones beating Ruiz, what your talking about it "FORMER" CW's who have beefed up to a HW. Former HW's fought ACTUAL CW's.

Chris Byrd weighed up to 215lbs and was successful because he was a defensive master, same with Eddie. They won by running and stealing rounds. They both posed zero punch threat to any decent superheavy. Byrd was a good win but not even close to best win, that's stupid!

David Haye is a dominant CW champion of exceptional skills who stacked on slabs of muscle and supremely athletic. It is no surprise that he is highly competitive.

James Toney is a slick counterpuncher with super heavy weight anyway. Fat you say? It does not matter much if this type of fighter is fat!

Huck, Adamek and Cunningham are very boxers too who moved up to become real HW's. Adamek for example is bigger than Ali ever was.

There has never been an era where so few CW's have been able to move up and compete at HW for the reason of size... Rendering your post completely moronic.

You do understand that statement right.. It has NEVER been more difficult, there's never been so FEW.

Moreover none of those guys mentioned apart from David Haye has ever enjoyed great success over many superheavies under legit circumstances. Again making your point irrelevant.

[bojangles1987]

No, he is not.



Wrong, everything.



James Toney is an ATG.



Roy Jones Jr is an ATG.



Well, Povetkin won.



Well, Fury and Adamek beat him in the end.



Your point being exactly what?

My point is that all these guys are just as small or smaller than the guys people like you claim are inferior to the fighters these fighters beat.

If size matters so much, why are the small guys having so much success? Especially when so many of them are not only small, they are past prime when they move up.

[IMDAZED]

If not Byrd, who was Wlad's best win?

[Elroy1]

Ah Mr. Corso, leader of the nutbags...

How do you explain the paradox that the HW division is now the heaviest and tallest in history and that there are the least amount of former CW's that are competitive in history and that the heights and weights of the HW boxers are rising not falling?

Seems to completely **** all over your theory there mate.