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I am going to give you ten middleweight punchers, you bold the one whose punch force you think is closest to Robinson's. No surprise factor because of speed, we are looking for pure force in this one. I will color the one(s) red I think punch harder than Robinson. You can do the same.
1 Sugar Ray Leonard
2 Marvin Hagler
3 Carlos Monzon
4 Rocky Graziano
5 Gerald McClellan
6 Tony Zale
7 GGG
8 Barkley
9 Stanley Ketchel
10 Julian Jackson
Besides superceding everyone in almost every category, Robinson also out punches almost all middleweights in history for pure force. We do not know if his chin was really as good as Hagler's, but we know it was awful good. Not quite as good as Hagler's, though, I would personally judge, if that category were to be debated.
Someone--possibly our own Ecurb, for I have entirely forgotten-- gave a pretty good analysis of the force behind Robinson's punches and how he whips the arm at the last moment for additional impact.
Neither Barkley or Jackson has nearly the boxing acumen of Robinson--in other terms they would be way out-IQ'd in a match. Barkley was a beast of a puncher, though, and could flatten people. I do not feel sure he could punch harder than Robinson when you take away the speed factor which surprises and knocks fighters out, but his beastly, hairy body might well throw a single shot harder than Ray, which is why I put him in blue.
I already know who the more effective puncher is, effectiveness not being a function of power alone, and that Robinson's punches will flatten opponents more often than Barkley's because of that superiority in overall effectiveness, technique and speed. Still, the beast Barkley might indeed be able to coil up for a single shot stronger on the meter than Robby's best effort.
Feel free to change colors as well.
1 Sugar Ray Leonard
2 Marvin Hagler
3 Carlos Monzon
4 Rocky Graziano
5 Gerald McClellan
6 Tony Zale
7 GGG
8 Barkley
9 Stanley Ketchel
10 Julian Jackson
Besides superceding everyone in almost every category, Robinson also out punches almost all middleweights in history for pure force. We do not know if his chin was really as good as Hagler's, but we know it was awful good. Not quite as good as Hagler's, though, I would personally judge, if that category were to be debated.
Someone--possibly our own Ecurb, for I have entirely forgotten-- gave a pretty good analysis of the force behind Robinson's punches and how he whips the arm at the last moment for additional impact.
Neither Barkley or Jackson has nearly the boxing acumen of Robinson--in other terms they would be way out-IQ'd in a match. Barkley was a beast of a puncher, though, and could flatten people. I do not feel sure he could punch harder than Robinson when you take away the speed factor which surprises and knocks fighters out, but his beastly, hairy body might well throw a single shot harder than Ray, which is why I put him in blue.
I already know who the more effective puncher is, effectiveness not being a function of power alone, and that Robinson's punches will flatten opponents more often than Barkley's because of that superiority in overall effectiveness, technique and speed. Still, the beast Barkley might indeed be able to coil up for a single shot stronger on the meter than Robby's best effort.
Feel free to change colors as well.
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