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Old 06-12-2020, 01:39 PM #41
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Such a good line it deserves two posts huh? Neither of which have anything of worth...as predicted.
It's cute that you believe you deserve to be taken seriously.
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Old 06-12-2020, 01:44 PM #42
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It's cute that you believe you deserve to be taken seriously.
Sad little monkeys climb trees to call themselves tall.
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Old 06-12-2020, 05:07 PM #43
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Any boxing fan who watches the complete train wreck which is Fury and thinks he is seeing good boxing should be banned. Holmes is 10 times the fighter. Fury is the only heavyweight contender I spend round after round laughing at. A product of the horrible watered down boxing scene of the last 30 years. Fans are now watered down as they no longer understand what great boxing is all about.
- -Time for U water and meds so U can watch Ali vs Wepner, Lyle, and Young that excites U sniffer into spasmodic, rhapsodic ecstasy?
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Old 06-13-2020, 05:02 AM #44
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It was very difficult to hit prime Ali with a right hand. Just too quick. Holmes however could be countered due to his dropping of his jab. He did not have the very quick reflexes of Ali. Best jabs at heavyweight as the list would be too long if all weights were included:

Ali
Holmes
Louis
Foreman
Johnson
Liston
Tunney
Great list. Dont mean to pick but Johnson threw a lead... Had many of the same attributes of the jab and Johnson was versatile enough to occasionally turn his palm over so it looked like a jab. Tunney could throw both.
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Old 06-13-2020, 05:04 AM #45
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Is English not your first language? I said, "EXPLAIN"... not "rant on whatever is on your mind".

Not even sure how you can get those confused.
Lol look who is talking. I hope you do not live in a glass house rusty and that your pots are not black.
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Old 06-13-2020, 10:21 AM #46
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In Johnson’s day a jab was a power punch, rarely a tap like today. A jab then was a power punch that could, if landed full force, lead to a ko win.

What you see with Johnson is the transition from a jab as a power blow to more of a defensive weapon. Thus you see Johnson throwing both.
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Old 06-13-2020, 05:07 PM #47
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In Johnsonís day a jab was a power punch, rarely a tap like today. A jab then was a power punch that could, if landed full force, lead to a ko win.

What you see with Johnson is the transition from a jab as a power blow to more of a defensive weapon. Thus you see Johnson throwing both.
Yes he threw both... But there is more to the difference and it is relevant. Gloves used in Johnson's time were thin enough that weight transferred through punches through the gloves much more readily than when gloves held more padding.

Fighters of the classical times often look like they are hardly expending an effort when punching because when the body was in proper alignment one did not have to swing the arms so much. basically a lead was based on accuracy. You put the weight forward from an initial back weight position, sunk the body, and extended the hand naturally, usually to the button of the chin as the target... almost like a proper thrown wing chun punch.

When the lead hand hit, because all these movements basically happened at once, the energy would go right into an opponent if the arm was not bent at the elbow, the wrist held straight, and the fist clenched a bit on impact. Accuracy was the important thing. it is why when we see fighers of old posing they seem intent on showing a straight wrist, an elbow held in line close to the ribs, and a body not lurching in any direction.

One of the reasons the lead changed to the jab was with bigger gloves fighters had to find kinetic energy to replace proper alignment and timing... One way to do this was to snap the palm down on the strike in a twisting movement.

I think Johnson had a great lead and very fast hands. He also did turn the gloves over, especially when parrying a blow.
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