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Old 06-01-2019, 08:48 PM #21
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Old 06-01-2019, 08:57 PM #22
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Thiz is a profitable market can you see the potential?

Lets apply that to boxing

A male super feather weight boxer identifies as a fem

Destroys the division

Imagine the revenue generated
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:10 PM #24
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Legal accommodation for "transgenders" is a justifiably two-sided issue, but the extreme wing who believe gender has no physical/biological significance in things like athletic competition are dipping well into the realm of insanity...
I'm not sure all of them believe this. However, they believe that it is important for everyone to act as though it was true.

Trans people don't want asterisks next to their status as a man or woman.

They want to be accepted as being absolutely the same, in every way, to the sex they have transitioned to.

In other words, they don't want to be accepted as man who wants to be a women (and vice versa) they want people to treat them indistinguishably.

I understand why they want this. Gender dysphoria must be an awful thing to go through. As I understand it, any thing which reminds them of their actual sex is intensely uncomfortable to them.
Just like being enclosed in a small space is awful for someone with claustrophobia, or hearing loud noises can be bad for vets with PTSD.
Trans people don't take it as just offensive, or rude, it causes actual anguish.

With that understanding, I can see how and why they resist being told that they can't compete. It causes them anguish to think that they are not the same. It causes them anguish when they are not treated the same.

So - when there is no real cost to others - I am happy enough to indulge this. I'll call them 'him' or 'her' as they wish. I won't get in their faces, calling them a man or a woman when it isn't necessary to make the distinction.

But when it comes to some things, then the cost of managing their mental health issues needs to be weighed up.

In this case of sports, the cost - whatever it might be - is borne entirely by the biologically female athletes.

How is it fair to tell female athletes that they must allow someone with an unfair advantage over them to compete with them, to help that person deal with a mental health issue?

How is it fair to Selina Soule to tell her that her chances of a scholarship - which is worth who knows how many thousands of dollars - must be spent instead on helping two trans girls deal with their mental health issues?
Selina is not responsible for their mental health, yet it cost her (or one of the other girls displaced) thousands of real life dollars to help with other's mental wellbeing.

Or worse - in contact sports - how is it fair to risk people's physical wellbeing so that someone else's mental wellbeing can be kept at a premium?
How is it ok to risk someone's death so that someone else can remain disengaged from a reality that hurts them?

I'm not unsympathetic to trans people. I think gender dysphoria must be an awful thing, it really must.
But their rights are not more important that other people's rights, and the cost of their illness shouldn't automatically be shunted onto others.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:32 AM #25
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Yes and no.

Yes about people rationalising, yes about being almost impossible to change their minds.

No about them having to reach a threshhold of insanity.

Almost every asshole doubles down on their stupid beliefs. It has almost nothing to do with whether their beliefs are extreme or not, and has everything to do with their emotional attachment to that belief.

A quick test is this. If you would feel awkward telling people, or admitting to yourself, that you had been wrong about something, then you are fucked.

The thing is that when people have extremist beliefs, harmful beliefs, then doubling down on them is more a of a problem.

Here is an article I read yesterday describing some current research into the doubling down phenomenon.

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A real woman is being banned for having too high testosterone, but a man pretending to be a woman is allowed?

Who are making these rules? How is that these people claim to have IQ but can't tell the simple difference between a man and a woman?
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:50 AM #26
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:52 PM #28
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Right, it's tied to existential identity. Most people aren't living their dream life and have their fair share of regrets, but as a coping mechanism we cherish the wisdom we've gained along the way.

To give them an identity (perceived wisdom at odds with the generally ignorant masses) then rip it away is like pulling teeth.

This is a healthy psychological mechanism in a primitive world where people are actually gaining wisdom from hands-on experience and wired to cherish it, but it's very unhealthy in a world where most people become vested in journalism.

It also ties heavily into Nassim Taleb's theory of "skin in the game". If most of these people actually had a stake in this (ie were directly involved in women's athletics) then the situation would be much different because they would be pressured towards a logical solution in order to achieve their shared goal (preserving women's athletics).

But when 99% of the people opining are random online citizens with no stake whatsoever, it's just a matter of which "journalist" got to them first and bestowed their identity with new wisdom.

In regards to insanity; of course it isn't a prerequisite to being in denial about a debunked belief.

In this specific context, though...? Insanity is medically defined by an impaired ability to distinguish between fantasy and measurable reality.

Legal accommodation for "transgenders" is a justifiably two-sided issue, but the extreme wing who believe gender has no physical/biological significance in things like athletic competition are dipping well into the realm of insanity...




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imho.....

the weirdo's..... ooops, I mean..... the people in question, should be honest with everyone including themselves

there are two genders, not three.....

if you want to ponce around in a dress..... then do so

also..... do anything else you want, that is fine.....

..... but do so proudly, with NO excuses, and NO bullshlt

trying to justify your decision by jumping on the new-age..... "wow, guess that..... we just discovered a new gender" bollocks..... is doing yourself a disservice

saying..... I want to be free, to live my life..... and yet then having to invent a new life in order to do so..... seems like a silly excuse, and a disservice to the rest of us..... there are only two genders, so they would clearly be living a lie

you can call him whatever you like..... but the guy who set that record, was a man

if you want to eat that hedgehog, then eat it..... but don't run around telling the rest of us that it was steak
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A real woman is being banned for having too high testosterone, but a man pretending to be a woman is allowed?

Who are making these rules? How is that these people claim to have IQ but can't tell the simple difference between a man and a woman?


yea wut ??
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