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Old 09-19-2015, 12:21 AM #21
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Good job bro, nice work!! I was just about to look up the "draw" myself and make a better assessment because I wasn't aware of how it all played out.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:31 AM #22
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I remember seeing this fight. I was young though, like 12 yrs old. Don't remember ever seeing the final outcome though.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:31 AM #23
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Carbajal VS Finito would have been the Fight Of The Century.


They should've met at 106.5. Damn shame, damn shame.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:33 AM #24
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Carbajal VS Finito would have been the Fight Of The Century.

They should've met at 106.5 . Damn shame, damn shame.
Catch wasn't necessary. By some accounts I've been given over the years, it was there for Lopez at 108 when both were with King. Carbajal was down but Nacho, allegedly, didn't want to move him up. It's all hearsay but it plays to Nacho as oddball negotiator. Carbajal fought everyone else so not hard to imagine him with Lopez.
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Catch wasn't necessary. By some accounts I've been given over the years, it was there for Lopez at 108 when both were with King. Carbajal was down but Nacho, allegedly, didn't want to move him up. It's all hearsay but it plays to Nacho as oddball negotiator. Carbajal fought everyone else so not hard to imagine him with Lopez.

That's Nacho for you eh? I think Finito would've done just fine at 108. Too bad his promotional company and trainer didn't.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:47 AM #26
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That's Nacho for you eh? I think Finito would've done just fine at 108. Too bad his promotional company and trainer didn't.
He did fine there as an old man. Grigsby was nothing special but he beat him lopsided and at least settled Sor Vorapin (the only guy he missed at 105).

The fight I would have loved is Lopez-Mark Johnson in an era where Flyweight isn't stratified into three classes. I like Johnson a lot in that fight but would have been something.
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How many of those first 87 opponents were good?

ANSWER: Not many.

He fought a TON of stiffs in those early fights.

Floyd won his first title in 98 and fought pretty much nothing but other champs and top 10 guys since then.

Floyd could have went to 500-0 if he kept on fighting guys like JCC fought in his early career.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:28 AM #29
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He fought a guy with 28 losses in his 33rd fight as a pro and fought several guys with a handful of fights after that lol.
You're correct that his first 40 fights or so were against inferior competition. What you failed to bring up was that JCC turned pro at 17 and he fought this guy when he was 20. (Boxrec is a good source but records should be looked at in context.) His first 3-4 years he fought basically 10x a year.

When JCC wins the Super-Featherweight crown (at age 22) he, of course, drops from 10x a year to 3-5/year.
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52 tried and 52 failed

51-0-1 baby.
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