Boxing Forum
Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-22-2018, 06:00 AM #1
kingofthieves kingofthieves is offline
Amateur
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 0
kingofthieves is on a distinguished road
Points: 5,638.79
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 5,638.79
Default Is Groves’ resurgence a boost to Froch’s legacy?

168lb dust up+ reflection on Froch:

I was just thinking earlier that what a twist of fate it’s been that DeGale went from downplaying George groves in some of his post fight interviews, then goes ahead and loses and looks lackluster where he has to go back to the drawing board.

Meanwhile Eubank Jr. who was favored in his groves’ fight loses decisively.

This takes me back to the Groves vs. Froch fights. I felt groves was doing well in the 1st fight, stoppage was extremely premature although froch came on strong.

Froch wins decisively and emphatically in the rematch.

So now my main point and question:

Although I don’t put much into H2H (although I like the concept of comparing skills and traits of different fighters) who wins vs. who in different eras, I do believe a win over a fighter who goes on to do great things can boost one’s legacy.

In this case, do you feel Froch’s wins over groves look better and better?

Groves seeming to be the UK heir apparent of 168 with the dust settling and finding his stride, does this indirectly boost Froch’s legacy, stock, and value?

I personally feel like it does.
kingofthieves is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
Old 02-22-2018, 06:16 AM #2
SonnyboyReturns SonnyboyReturns is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 700
Quoted: 241 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
SonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond reputeSonnyboyReturns has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 83,780.45
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 83,780.45
Default

Groves embarrassing a bum over the weekend does nothing for Froch's legacy. If Groves avenged his loss to Jack it would boost Froch's win over groves. I say win because the first fight was a robbery so doesn't count. If Groves then went on to unify it make Froch's win look even better.

But some could still argue that Groves is a better fighter now then when Froch beat him and this version of Groves would beat Froch if he were to go back in time. I'm not saying I necessarily agree but you could make that argument.
SonnyboyReturns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 06:17 AM #3
Sparked_26 Sparked_26 is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Manchester
Age: 32
Posts: 12,042
Quoted: 2416 Post(s)
Rep Power: 36
Sparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond reputeSparked_26 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,007,395,719,774,208.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,007,395,719,774,208.00
No Message - PrinceNaz88 pushing wigs back with ease - jas Good banter - jas Good banter - jas 
Default

yeah it does.

putting the win closer to the Kessler win
Sparked_26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 08:30 AM #4
bluebeam bluebeam is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,027
Quoted: 1193 Post(s)
Rep Power: 17
bluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond reputebluebeam has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 83,840.29
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 83,840.29
Default

it definitely makes froch resume look even better if groves wins the 168 tournament
bluebeam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 08:33 AM #5
Shrap Shrap is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 997
Quoted: 505 Post(s)
Rep Power: 6
Shrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond reputeShrap has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,000,029,993,467,904.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,000,029,993,467,904.00
Good posting, bruh... - Tony Trick-Pony 
Default

Nah. SMW is weak as hell at the moment. Froch has always been an obviously limited boxer and beating Groves certainly won't change that.
Shrap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 08:34 AM #6
Robbie Barrett Robbie Barrett is offline
Boxing
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 23,770
Quoted: 16110 Post(s)
Rep Power: 56
Robbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond reputeRobbie Barrett has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 119,822.61
Bank: 104,192,475,445,849,325,830,144.00
Total Points: 104,192,475,445,849,325,830,144.00
Good poster - Have a drink - arraamis Keep owning these trolls! - JK1700 
Default

Of course. The better the resume of a fighter, the better the resume of the fighter who beat him.
Robbie Barrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 08:43 AM #7
b00g13man b00g13man is online now
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 11,753
Quoted: 1747 Post(s)
Rep Power: 34
b00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond reputeb00g13man has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,000,010,000,200,076.50
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 2,000,010,000,200,076.50
Cool poster. Cheers bro. - Mike D 
Default

Most definitely.
b00g13man is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 05:26 PM #8
dan_cov dan_cov is online now
Zombie Taylor
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 20,589
Quoted: 1596 Post(s)
Rep Power: 94
dan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,919,379,955,819,117,568.00
Bank: 1,003,214,152,678,822,528,417,792.00
Total Points: 1,003,216,072,058,778,219,970,560.00
you deserve a medal for being a truly truly atg poster - jas I see you hit the lotto...congratulations :fing02: - -jose- Congrats good call. - Scott.Weiland. Enjoy - kennylimon solid - SlySlickSmooth 
ATG poster - Croyd a cookie for ur kitchen post lol - sugarsmosley Thx 4 points,made WC more fun - Scott.Weiland knows s**t about boxin' - SlySlickSmooth No Message - Scott Weiland 
Ran out of greenies - Beercules Hope you like cold beer bro! :-) - Tyler_Durden thanks for the help - KO MX lol - -jose- Merry Xmas m8,i hope it's a good one but more importantly a safe one Dan - HughJass 
Merry Christmas, fellow Rigotard. - Sweet Pea 50 Happy New Year Dan m8 - HughJass :) - Salim_Shady Cheers! - Tyler_Durden :beerchug: - -jose- 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ƒallenloki Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - ƒallenloki Cesarean Sections - Headaches - Hospice Care - Multiple Myeloma - ƒallenloki Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - codey Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - Daniel Alpha 
Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Daniel Alpha Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - codey Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - codey Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey Eating Disorders - Esophageal Cancer - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - Pulmonary Hypertension - codey 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830 World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - -jose- AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - jas 
Eating Disorders - Esophageal Cancer - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - Pulmonary Hypertension - jas Emphysema - Lung Cancer - Lung Disease - Multiple Sclerosis - jas Autism - jas Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - jas Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS) - jas 
Default

I don't think so.
Who has he beaten? A load of middleweights not even ranked in the top 10 vast majority being domestic level.
dan_cov is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2018, 03:22 PM #9
Kezzer Kezzer is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 937
Quoted: 462 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4
Kezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond reputeKezzer has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,000,000,004,194,304.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,000,000,004,194,304.00
Default

I think it says more about the current generation. Frock was a awkward but entertaining fighter, and other than for ward who was clearly technically superb - he would have been the best In the division. Groves got fairly lucky with a early knockdown in the first fight and frock came back - whether you agreed with the stoppage or not - he ended in control and would likely have knocked groves out in many of opinions before the 12th bell. The second fight he was a class above and eventually got the knock out punch we all remember.

Groves is maybe the best of the current list? But he's hardly
Got the best record - it says it all about the others really doesn't it.
Kezzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2018, 03:26 PM #10
alexguiness alexguiness is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Echo Park LA
Posts: 5,647
Quoted: 1159 Post(s)
Rep Power: 21
alexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond reputealexguiness has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 150,000,000,000,030,102,519,808.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 150,000,000,000,030,102,519,808.00
Tim Lane replica medal for trainer of the decade - Mike D 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kezzer View Post
I think it says more about the current generation. Frock was a awkward but entertaining fighter, and other than for ward who was clearly technically superb - he would have been the best In the division. Groves got fairly lucky with a early knockdown in the first fight and frock came back - whether you agreed with the stoppage or not - he ended in control and would likely have knocked groves out in many of opinions before the 12th bell. The second fight he was a class above and eventually got the knock out punch we all remember.

Groves is maybe the best of the current list? But he's hardly
Got the best record - it says it all about the others really doesn't it.
You dont knock Froch over with luck.
alexguiness is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
boost, froch’s, groves’, legacy?, resurgence

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:28 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.