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Old 05-30-2017, 10:18 PM #21
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So this thread will excuse No Mas and any other similar occurrences just because Brook lost?
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:20 PM #22
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Because the majority of those expressing their viewpoint in this situation, have no experience in a ring, and no experience taking punches to the face.

I'd venture to say a number of those people haven't even put on a boxing glove before.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:21 PM #23
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:36 PM #24
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Because I always picture Fighters begging ref's NOT to stop Fights. And they only stop when the ref or corner stops It. And they are upset about THAT. I just hate to see a Fighter, who isn't stopped by his corner or ref, WANT to stop on his own. It just doesn't look right. I always Say...if u really want out, just go down and get counted out. No shame in being KO'd. But don't quit on your stool (I Know KB didn't do that, just Saying, in general).
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:37 PM #25
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Because the majority of those expressing their viewpoint in this situation, have no experience in a ring, and no experience taking punches to the face.

I'd venture to say a number of those people haven't even put on a boxing glove before.
You're right. I haven't. Most NFL, MLB, NBA fans aren't players of those sports either. Yet, fans do give analysis and opinions. Thats what this forum is for.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:42 PM #26
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It's called "cowardly" when the fan is let down because he wanted to see the other guy lose.
How many people picking against Spence ended up calling Brook a quitter? Quite a few. It's easier to call him a quitter than to admit you made the wrong pick.
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It may be a bigger dynamic, but it's part of the problem. We're not arguing here about the definition of the weird quitting. The title is asking since when is wanting to fight another day considered quitting or cowardly.

The title itself let's you know we're not just talking about the act of quitting/giving up, etc. But the attitude that somehow saying you've had enough is not acceptable. That somehow fighters should be willing to give their lives or sacrifice their health in one night instead of calling a night short to fight anther day and continue entertaining us.
In boxing its not like it or not. I mean look at the Andre Dirrell fight a week & change back. Some people were dogging him for quitting/using the foul as a means to end the fight after he got KTFO cuz they thought he coulda continued. If his uncle hadn't decked Jose & overtaken the whole story of the event its likely that'd have been a bigger thing with more people.

I'm a MMA fan to & even in MMA where there is a whole idea of acceptable quitting via the tap out there is still people that'll condemn fighters who they deem to have tapped out to early. And in fact Conor McGregor who every boxing fan knows at this point is one of those guys cuz he's tapped out in record time when guys have gotten him into submissions.

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The bad is particularly enhanced in the internet, and it has a lot to do with the anonymity of it. I'm sure some people, before the internet of things, were just as retarded as a big segment of boxing "fans" posting in forums now a day, but without the platform and anonymity the internet provided they couldn't spread their message as effectively as they can today.
Idk that its "spreading" via the internet. I think its an opinion a lot of people hold rightly or wrongly. This is schoolyard level sh^t. The guy who doesn't wanna fight or who quits too early in a fight is deemed a p#ssy. This isn't just a pro boxing or pro combat sports thing.

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I'm not saying it's just that, I'm just saying that I think it's a factor. It even be subconscious. Regardless, fighters saying it is completely different than non fighters saying it. I just think they should be careful with the verbiage the use, and hope they don't end up in a similar situation.
You could be right about the subconscious factor, but I just think its something that's a real thing for fighters & they do there best to live that mindset for as long as possible. I think fighters probably do their best when they are in the ring ready to die. And you almost need that sorta mindset to succeed in boxing cuz if you're in a tough fight the tougher guy puts himself in position for more chances to win by not succumbing himself & KOing or outworking his opponent late or just making the less tough guy quit despite perhaps being more skilled or equally skilled as himself. Not quitting when things get rough or uncomfortable is part of the game & the mindset for most elite level boxers I feel.

And it almost feels like that retirement talk before a fight kinda stuff when you are willing to quit to me. When a guy is talking retirement too much he should just get out of the sport & when a guy is quitting too much in boxing maybe its time to retire. Cuz in general it does seem like once elite level names start quitting their days are limited or at least their days as elite fighters are limited.

This is a rough f#cking sport.

And let me just say again before some random person jumps in & mistakes my opinion on most fans to my personal opinion on Brook quitting I got no problem with what Brook did. I'll goof on nearly anything even quitting, but I don't have any real problem or negative opinion at all with what Brook did vs Spence in the 11th round cuz boxers SHOULD be able to quit without taking so much sh^t from fans when they've reached their limit. I actually think the sport would be better & safer if boxers could quit of their own accord easier without so many negative opinions of them being thrown around.
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:16 PM #28
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Yep, this is the outlet for the Average Joe, such as myself.

I equate situations like this - people ragging on Brook for quitting - to something like a baseball fan trying to talk about different ball grips when throwing a pitch, when they've never held a baseball.

Be a baseball fan, that's great. Talk about your team winning and losing, that's great. But don't give analysis on the finer points when there's a good chance you don't know sh*t about the finer points.
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Old 05-31-2017, 12:22 AM #29
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Yep, this is the outlet for the Average Joe, such as myself.

I equate situations like this - people ragging on Brook for quitting - to something like a baseball fan trying to talk about different ball grips when throwing a pitch, when they've never held a baseball.

Be a baseball fan, that's great. Talk about your team winning and losing, that's great. But don't give analysis on the finer points when there's a good chance you don't know sh*t about the finer points.
I Know this. And again. I have never Boxed in my life. These Boxers chose to get into This Game. And I respect that choice. And I hate quitting. Because I always picture Fighters begging ref's NOT to stop Fights. And they only stop when the ref or corner stops It. And they are upset about THAT. I just hate to see a Fighter, who isn't stopped by his corner or ref, WANT to stop on his own. It just doesn't look right. I always Say...if u really want out, just go down and get counted out. No shame in being KO'd. But don't quit on your stool (I Know KB didn't do that, just Saying, in general).
The only way a Fighter should ever stop Fighting is if the ref or corner stop It. And then they should protest the stoppage. Until the ref or corner call It, keep Fighting.
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Brook isn't a "quitter." He just has thin facial bones.

If your eye is rolling out of place and you're seeing double, unless you are retarded you know you are in danger of losing your vision permanently.

Duran was a "quitter," because even a baseball bat wouldn't crack his face open. He had to overcome quitter status through long years and winning more dramatic championships in higher and higher weight divisions.
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