Comments Thread For: Boxing, Concussion and Depression - Time To Open Our Eyes

[boxingenius002]

Being depressed or just generally ****ed up is cool right now. I get it.

And until you can come up with scientific facts I'll dismiss every single of those claims as being in line with our modern victim society.

Lol oh how naive you r.. the science is out do some research yourself for 15 min. Lol man didn’t realize the newly discovered cte isn’t facts

[boxingenius002]

It is self-evidently true that society is becoming more and more feminised. Ever hear of positive masculinity?? Life's b*tch and then you die. Being a good human means living your life as best you can, without being a ****ing pu$$y, facing up to the realities and dangers of life without fear or regret, whether you are a man or a woman or whatever the **** you are.

The article's about the link between boxing and depression. I don't see it. Depends how you fight. Depends how you deal with ****. Depends on a lot of things. I don't know what you've got a bee in your bonnet about but actually yeah, what you're saying, as some kind of apparently sardonic parody, might be true. So, I don't know why you're acting like you've got the answers.

Take the rising acceptance of mentally ill people over time, who have thus borne children in greater numbers... if there is a genetic link to mental illness, just this fact alone suggests a greater ACTUAL incidence rate of mental illness, by virtue of a greater acceptance of mental illness (no more forced sterilisations, etc). Or take the increasingly large volumes of DSM which have been published over the years: some people like to have a label, viz., the 'sick role'. This suggests a greater incidence rate of mental illness, whether actual or not. And there are loads of other arguments that could be made for why mental illness, in general, is rising

As I have said, I don't think humanity has changed very much throughout history (hence, my noting of ancient-PTSD) but what has changed in recent years is the tendency to want to make everything better and safe and comfortable, and to blame bad things on things we can't control. I think this is a good path to go down IF we want to live in a dull, sterile world, where no-one takes responsibility for themselves. I think a lot of people who say they have mental illness are just mentally weak and use it as a get-out.

Anyway, I hope scientists keep doing the research on the limits and dangers of boxing, including links to depression. Although I hate the early stoppages, boxing does seem to be getting safer (relatively), we just need to be careful not to over-egg the whole thing

Dr Rumack, the piece is designed to get us to think, so tell us your thoughts? So far, you've just acted morally superior, but without articulating anything of note

I don’t see it? Maybe cuz your a naive sideline judge mental **** who values his bs opinion instead of giving credence to ppl who spent their lives on the matter.. the ignorance in u is astounding.

['b']

I don’t see it? Maybe cuz your a naive sideline judge mental **** who values his bs opinion instead of giving credence to ppl who spent their lives on the matter.. the ignorance in u is astounding.

Cool brah, way to sound like a whiny, effeminate bytch.

Man I h8 this new world where everyone gets offended over little shyt like other people's opinions and has a full on estrogen tampon rage. Not agreeing with that other guy, but man if you aren't a female then there is no excuse for such emotive, manipulative language.

It is quite ghey to say the least.

[Citizen Koba]

I'm not quite sure of the point of the article, here. Is the author claiming that there has now been a statistically proven and direct causal link established between head trauma and depression? I would be interested in looking over such research if it existed but no references were provided that I could see. My understanding of mental illness is complicated and rather intensely personal, but it's my opinion that the interactions that lead to issues such as depression and anxiety rarely stem from one simple and direct cause but rather from the complex and chaotic interaction of innumerable factors, much as the rest of our personality is not so easily reduced to simplistic sequences of cause and effect.

And FWIW Tyson does have my sympathy and a degree of understanding, cos depression really can be a bleak fucker, but that doesn't make the man any less of a dick. Being dealt a **** hand in life is never an excuse for being a nob - at least, not IMO.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

I don’t see it? Maybe cuz your a naive sideline judge mental **** who values his bs opinion instead of giving credence to ppl who spent their lives on the matter.. the ignorance in u is astounding.

More hand-waving BS. There is nuance to this issue, it's not black and white. Do I value my opinion? Yes, of course I do, because I know who I am and I know what I think. Do you even have an opinion, would be my question to you!?

In a perfect world, everyone gets exactly the right sort of help they need. But that world doesn't exist. And I would rather live in a world that is too harsh, than too soft. But that's just me. I think you are much too quick to impute the things that you have said to me... for example, I think that part of taking responsibility for yourself includes knowing when to ask for help. But then, I don't think you really care about what I actually think, you're more interested in getting yourself off by painting me out to be some sort of monster

Seriously, what the **** happened to being able to speak your mind. We're living in a world that is becoming increasingly overly-sensitive, which, again, goes back to my inital point - society is becoming more and more feminised, and I think that's a big factor as to why mental illness is becoming more of an issue...




'cos bitches be crazy

[TheUntouchable]

Lol oh how naive you r.. the science is out do some research yourself for 15 min. Lol man didn’t realize the newly discovered cte isn’t facts

What? I'm supposed to do "some research" aka I should try to find dodgy studies to agree with the author when he couldn't do any of that?

That's not how you make a point. He's out there writing stories.

[Evil_Meat]

This is terribly incoherent. You think that people with mental illness just need to accept responsibility (for their illness and mental weakness?) rather than complain and then the illness will go away? Or is it that you think there was no illness to begin with? Or is it just that a lot (the majority?) are faking it to get what, sympathy?

What is the supposed connection between a more feminised society and mental illness and 'playing the victim' supposed to be? That women are mentally weak and like to play the victim, and men are now encouraged to be just like them? If so that argument is predicated on some wonderfully misogynistic premises.

You don't have to think that mental illness has been rising in modern society to believe that mental illness is not only real but a major medical issue.

The original article is correct to point out the link between concussions and brain damage and the various kinds of extreme behaviours that many boxers have displayed over the years. Who would have thought that having your brain damaged could cause disfunction.

You are trying to argue with someone who clearly has zero compassion for anyone with mental illness. He’s probably one of those “just get over it” idiots. It’s a waste of time.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

You are trying to argue with someone who clearly has zero compassion for anyone with mental illness. He’s probably one of those “just get over it” idiots. It’s a waste of time.

More misconstrual...

[Johnny Rubber]

Being depressed or just generally ****ed up is cool right now. I get it.

And until you can come up with scientific facts I'll dismiss every single of those claims as being in line with our modern victim society.

Ignorance 101. Red K for being ignorant and proud of it.

[Citizen Koba]

There doesn't actually seem to have been a great deal of study done on this specific matter.... while there has been a strong causal relationship established between trauma, PTSD and depression, the mechanism for this is still poorly understood as is why some people are more likely to be effected then others. Most studies discussing trauma or PTSD tend to concentrate on events that are as much psychologically as physically traumatic in nature and usually those over which the victim has little or no control - which is clearly not the case in boxing.

Anyways. Some scholarly articles on the matter of head/brain trauma and depression or behavioural issues.

http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/51/5/722.full.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864457/

http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiol.2015142974


Some not so scholarly stuff:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/people-w...ay-have-338362 (based on the radiological study above)

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/0...ion/index.html

http://www.tbiguide.com/angerdepress.html