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  • #21
    Originally posted by PBDS View Post
    .....It appears to me that the Pats are succesful because of the system they use. I always thought that Tom Brady was smoke and mirrors and his accomplishments were based heavily on little Bill's system. Unless Matt Cassell is another miracle find, and the odds of that have to be a billion to one, Brady has been overrated all along.
    This is clearly a post from someone who knows very little about the sport of football.
    Maybe if you actully watched the games Brady and Cassell play you would understand the difference between the two.

    Just compare the team Brady started with compared to Cassell.
    Can you name the running back and wide recievers Brady started with compared to Cassell??
    Thats your answer right there.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Mizzou View Post
      Tom Brady would be alright if he didn't dress like a trendy ****sexual. That Stetson ad is terrible.
      he does dress like a herb, but I bet his gf has a bit to do with that.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by RunW/Knives View Post
        I can't agree with you more.
        It's couldn't agree with you more.

        And if any QB is product of a system, its that Peyton Manning. His sucess is hinged on the great players around him, rather than his own skills. Marvin Harrison is the reason he became a marquee QB, with Clark and Wayne, Edge James and Addai cementing that status.
        At least Brady won three superbowls withot a pro bowl wideout.

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        • #24
          I think 50 td's speaks for itself...

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Easy-E View Post
            It's couldn't agree with you more.

            And if any QB is product of a system, its that Peyton Manning. His sucess is hinged on the great players around him, rather than his own skills. Marvin Harrison is the reason he became a marquee QB, with Clark and Wayne, Edge James and Addai cementing that status.
            At least Brady won three superbowls withot a pro bowl wideout.
            Originally posted by Easy-E View Post
            he does dress like a herb, but I bet his gf has a bit to do with that.
            Originally posted by Easy-E View Post
            This is clearly a post from someone who knows very little about the sport of football.
            Maybe if you actully watched the games Brady and Cassell play you would understand the difference between the two.

            Just compare the team Brady started with compared to Cassell.
            Can you name the running back and wide recievers Brady started with compared to Cassell??
            Thats your answer right there.
            Originally posted by Easy-E View Post
            I think 50 td's speaks for itself...
            Well said.

            *HIGH FIVE*

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Easy-E View Post
              This is clearly a post from someone who knows very little about the sport of football.
              Maybe if you actully watched the games Brady and Cassell play you would understand the difference between the two.

              Just compare the team Brady started with compared to Cassell.
              Can you name the running back and wide recievers Brady started with compared to Cassell??
              Thats your answer right there.


              ...No need to be a bitter little girl over it. Nobody said Cassell was as good as Brady, I'm just saying that a huge part of Brady's success is due to the system. Cassell is clear proof of that. Brady is a top 15 ATG QB, but he's not the end all be all QB that his nuthugger fans would love everyone to think he is.

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              • #27
                ....This article from a short while back kind of sums it up nicely IMO.

                The Pats' system seems more important than Tom Brady
                Easterbrook


                By Gregg Easterbrook
                Special to Page 2
                (Archive)



                Everyone's gone ga-ga over out-of-nowhere Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel. Defensive coaches are scrambling to find film of Cassel from the last time he was a starter. That was nearly a decade ago at Chatsworth High School in California: "This guy must have a weakness, let's check out how he did in 1999 against the Regents of Reseda High." Although Cassel is playing well, the New England rebound isn't about him. What's happening is the resurgence of a team and its system. Considering how rapidly Cassel has become effective, in retrospect, maybe it was never about Tom Brady, either.

                Cassel's recent deeds have been impressive. Two straight 400-yard passing games -- and since New England's running back corps is injury-depleted, his big outputs have come despite the fact opponents know the Patriots will throw on most downs. Much of the time Sunday, the Patriots were in a five-wide spread -- not much mystery there. Cassel is seeing the field and throwing to the correct man. Almost all NFL quarterbacks can fire the ball, but many never learn to see the field. Cassel has won the confidence of the huddle, which many highly drafted quarterbacks never do. And he doesn't panic if no one is open. Cassel's touchdown run against Miami may have looked like a called quarterback draw, but that was a scramble. Cassel saw his targets were covered but the middle of the field was open, and he made the high-percentage move. He's performing extremely well for someone who never started a game in college.

                But unless Matt Cassel is one of the most gifted athletic prodigies of all time (and probabilities say he is not), the system he's in is causing him to succeed, rather than it being the other way around. How quickly we forget that just nine months ago, the New England Patriots were 35 seconds away from perfection! Then Brady got hurt and the New England system hiccupped. Now that's over, and the Patriots have adjusted, allowing their previously stellar performance level to return. From the start of the 2003 season until the first game of this season, when Brady was injured, the Patriots were 78-17 with two Super Bowl rings and a third title oh so close. This doesn't happen without excellent team players, top coaches and a well-run system.

                TMQ Cheat Sheet
                Gregg Easterbrook on …

                • Stats of the week
                • Cheerleader of the week
                • Sweet and sour plays of the week
                • Weasel coach watch
                • Sympathy for Detroit
                • Unified field theory of creep
                • "Friday Night Lights" update
                • Sour season-ending possibility
                • Forced Terrell Owens item
                • Single worst play of the season

                Then Cassel was installed as the starter, and New England sputtered, going on a 6-4 stretch. Sports commentators wrote off the Flying Elvii. Lose a Pro Bowl quarterback, bring in a guy who hasn't started since high school, and "only" produce a 6-4 stretch? That's a testament to a good system. Now the sputtering appears over. Two and a half years ago, when Cassel was a total nobody, TMQ wrote, "This being New England, something tells you that if Cassel has to play, he'll look like a polished veteran." It's taken fewer than 10 starts for this prediction to come true -- incredible success for the Pats' system. Against the Dolphins on Sunday, the Patriots looked almost indistinguishable from last season, putting up points, completing curl pattern after curl pattern, protecting the quarterback, all with flawless timing and sound tactics.

                Brady is a superb athlete, but right now he may be at some supermodel's Mediterranean seaside villa wincing, because Cassel is demonstrating that Brady was not essential for the Patriots to win. If New England had melted down without Brady, that would have cemented Tom's reputation as an all-time talent. If the Patriots end up having a great season without Brady, nobody will hold that against No. 12, but the focus will shift away from Brady and toward the New England team and system overall. Say what you like about Bill Belichick -- and there are many things not to like -- he runs the best ship in the NFL. And choose your nautical cliché: the ship has steered off the rocks, is back to flank speed, is headed to the blue water, etc.

                Meanwhile, sports radio hosts and callers are already obsessing about where Cassel will play and how much money he will make next season, since he'll be a free agent. Will he be franchised? Will he ascend directly to Valhalla? I'd let him finish the season, then worry about that. The New England system cog everyone will want in the offseason is Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Obviously he's doing a top-notch job, getting all the pieces of a complex offense to perform in a well-coordinated manner. McDaniels has the Patriots' favored pedigree, having played football at a Division III college, John Carroll. (Belichick and former Pats assistant Eric Mangini played for Division III Wesleyan.) Like Belichick and Mangini, McDaniels' foot-in-the-door opportunity came as a glorified NFL intern. And you'll hear this soon if you haven't already: McDaniels was born in Canton, Ohio.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by PBDS View Post
                  ...No need to be a bitter little girl over it. Nobody said Cassell was as good as Brady, I'm just saying that a huge part of Brady's success is due to the system. Cassell is clear proof of that. Brady is a top 15 ATG QB, but he's not the end all be all QB that his nuthugger fans would love everyone to think he is.
                  top 15 atg qb sounds pretty damn good to me...

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                  • #29
                    It might be a little of both. This question is very similar to the Bronco's of a few years back. Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell all had 1000 yard plus seasons.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Left2body View Post
                      It might be a little of both. This question is very similar to the Bronco's of a few years back. Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell all had 1000 yard plus seasons.
                      But Davis and Portis are great running backs....anderson, droghns and bell are not...

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