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Old 08-15-2018, 05:07 PM #1
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I mean like an advisor? Seems like an extra fee. Isn't that what a manager is for?
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Old 08-15-2018, 05:25 PM #2
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Old 08-15-2018, 05:35 PM #3
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The adviser is for the fighter. The promoter gets the fight. The manager manages what the fighter did — depending on how theyre used

Think of it as an independent party that keeps the other two in check and from behaving in a way unbefitting to their client.

Think of a promoter finging a fight...your adviser is independent from that and tells you your worth, what you should do and shouldnt do.

Your manager can be the guy who gets the people to design your trunks. Makes travel plans, works with your social media (or hires someons), gets you on the tonight’s show, lines up commercials/sponsors independent of the promoter.

Your adviser can be the voice of reason saying “you dont need to promote the uk small d ick condoms. Dont do it. Dont listen to your manager or friends. They just want your money. I get paid regardless, separate from all that. Trust me. Bad move. It’ll hurt your image. Let me negotiate in your stead and get you the most money.”

Imagine you’re alone and someone offers you something and your manager isnt involved in your decision maker so you get swindled into a bad contract.

Now imagine you have a team of advisers who can tell you its a s hit deal and instead of 20 mil, you now get 40 mil because they knew numbers and how much the promoter was going to take and your manager was going to take after that.

Adviser/manager can be the same person. Just depends on the needs of the person.

Could just be asking for a second opinion or could be very involved


Youre a lot less likely to get f ucked over if you show up with some muscle essentially.

You’ll rob the lone dummy...but you’ll think twice if he shows up with a team of SEALs and lord knows what else
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Because they made a previous mistake and hired a bad manager/promoter.
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eg Andre Ward pays that thug Prince to fix his refs and judges.


He can focus on training.
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Old 08-15-2018, 06:11 PM #6
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The only guy who calls himself an adviser that I know of is Haymon. He is very powerful and seems to be worth the money he is paid. Look at the easy fights for vacant titles he gets Broner and Garcia. Look at the easy fights he got Jermall to become a middleweight mandatory.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:17 PM #7
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I mean like an advisor? Seems like an extra fee. Isn't that what a manager is for?
Without Haymon Floyd Mayweather would have stayed on HBO Boxing after Dark . So it work out just fine for him .
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Old 08-16-2018, 01:40 PM #8
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The adviser is for the fighter. The promoter gets the fight. The manager manages what the fighter did — depending on how theyre used

Think of it as an independent party that keeps the other two in check and from behaving in a way unbefitting to their client.

Think of a promoter finging a fight...your adviser is independent from that and tells you your worth, what you should do and shouldnt do.

Your manager can be the guy who gets the people to design your trunks. Makes travel plans, works with your social media (or hires someons), gets you on the tonight’s show, lines up commercials/sponsors independent of the promoter.

Your adviser can be the voice of reason saying “you dont need to promote the uk small d ick condoms. Dont do it. Dont listen to your manager or friends. They just want your money. I get paid regardless, separate from all that. Trust me. Bad move. It’ll hurt your image. Let me negotiate in your stead and get you the most money.”

Imagine you’re alone and someone offers you something and your manager isnt involved in your decision maker so you get swindled into a bad contract.

Now imagine you have a team of advisers who can tell you its a s hit deal and instead of 20 mil, you now get 40 mil because they knew numbers and how much the promoter was going to take and your manager was going to take after that.

Adviser/manager can be the same person. Just depends on the needs of the person.

Could just be asking for a second opinion or could be very involved


Youre a lot less likely to get f ucked over if you show up with some muscle essentially.

You’ll rob the lone dummy...but you’ll think twice if he shows up with a team of SEALs and lord knows what else
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Old 08-16-2018, 01:40 PM #9
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Often times, people blame the fighter's promoter for fighters not getting paid enough, taking on bad fights, etc., but that's the manager's job. As stated earlier, he or she is there to make sure the fighter gets/has what he or she needs.

A promoter's sole responsibility is to assume the risk of investing in the fight itself. It's not up to them to make sure the fighter gets what he deserves, etc. If you have a promoter who cares about that, keep them.

Promoters come up with the money, fight dates, venues, TV rights, etc. If there's $5M on the table to split between the two fighters (especially if it's an in-house fight), and he offers the A-side fighter $2M and the B-side $1M, then how much is left? $2M.

That's good for the promoter who essentially profits from it AND the event earnings (which are sometimes split with the fighter)....ONLY if the fighter and his/her manager isn't aware of how much is really on the table for the said fight.

THIS is how fighters end up in litigation and on the shelf until their money is right. Of course there's a bit more to it, but that's the skinny of it.

So yeah, paying another party to make sure you don't get caught with your pants down, is paramount...it could cost a fighter more in the long run.
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Because people who get punched in the face for a living generally didn't get into that field because of their mental prowess. If you trust one, or even two guys, you put yourself at risk. You need someone to "watch the watchers". Look how many celebrities end up suing their managers for fraud because either the money wasn't going where it was supposed to, or there is a conflict of interest where the individual is used to promote other business interests of that manager.
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