Comments Thread For: Team Hammer Smile at UKAD Ruling To Reverse Tyson Fury Loss

[Vinnykin]

Agreeing to the deal/plea bargain is the admission. UKAD can't hand punishments to innocent people.

He also says they have proven their innocence. Which we know simply isn't true.

I just watched Robbie Williams on the TG podcast admit to paying a guy a settlement over the rights to Angels, while admitting that the guy was lying but had a really good case.....he paid the guy money to get on with his career. Same thing here.

Sometimes it's easier and less stressful to avoid court cases when you can, as these things can drag out and stop you making money, so you take the hit, or in your opinion "The admission of guilt"......

[kafkod]

So Hammer realistically should have gone on to fight for a world title already as Fury is now a confirmed drug cheat.

Maybe it’s important to draw a line under this, I guess it explains why Fury’s hair fell out and he got morbidly obese upon stopping training as well as Hughie Fury’s acne, all the tell tale signs were there. As if two guys in the same stable testing positive wasn’t a clarification already ! Coupled with the fact the father and uncle actually has been busted for selling steroids.

Have you got any proof of that, or are you pulling shit out of your arse again?

[Robbie Barrett]

I just watched Robbie Williams on the TG podcast admit to paying a guy a settlement over the rights to Angels, while admitting that the guy was lying but had a really good case.....he paid the guy money to get on with his career. Same thing here.

Sometimes it's easier and less stressful to avoid court cases when you can, as these things can drag out and stop you making money, so you take the hit, or in your opinion "The admission of guilt"......

The fact is they admitted it. I don't care what they say afterwards to try and save face.

[Vinnykin]

It is an admission of guilt. This is effectively a plea bargain. Admit it and we'll give you less punishment.


"The Respondents have waived their rights to a hearing on the charges, accepted the findings
at paragraphs 1.1 and 1.2 above (which amounts to an admission for the purposes of UK
ADR Article 7.7.4), and acceded to the consequences set out at paragraphs 2 and 3, above.
Subject only to paragraph 4.3, below, each of the Parties hereby waives its/his rights to
appeal against or otherwise challenge this decision in any forum, whether pursuant to UK
ADR Article 13 or otherwise."

https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploa...ughie_Fury.pdf

Are you seriously suggesting that all settlements are an admission of guilt?

Don't be stupid. They accepted that they had increased levels of nandrolone, but we all know diet can affect this result, which they would have had to prove in court, they accepted the findings, NOT the admission that PED's or drugs were the cause.

Nice try though. Easy to take things out of context.

[Robbie Barrett]

Are you seriously suggesting that all settlements are an admission of guilt?

Don't be stupid. They accepted that they had increased levels of nandrolone, but we all know diet can affect this result, which they would have had to prove in court, they accepted the findings, NOT the admission that PED's or drugs were the cause.

Nice try though. Easy to take things out of context.

They can't hand punishments to people unless they have an admission or ruling that they knowingly took it. This should be basic common sense.

[kafkod]

Man that Wlad fight needs to be turned into a no contest as well

So what happens to Wlad's fight - was he clear?

]He passed all the drug tests in the build-up and after that fight.[/B]

The only reason Fury agreed to the backdated ban was to avoid court and being out longer, he still maintains he is innocent.

According to the UKAD website they tested Tyson Fury 7 times while he was training for Wlad and he was clean every time. He was also being tested by VADA for the Wlad fights, and the only thing he ccame up positive for with them was cocaine, not PEDS.

So Tyson Fury thought he needed nandrolone to fight Christian Hammer at home, but not to fight Wlad in Germany?

Yeah .. that makes sense.

[Robbie Barrett]

According to the UKAD website they tested Tyson Fury 7 times while he was training for Wlad and he was clean every time. He was also being tested by VADA for the Wlad fights, and the only thing he ccame up positive for with them was cocaine, not PEDS.

So Tyson Fury thought he needed nandrolone to fight Christian Hammer at home, but not to fight Wlad in Germany?

Yeah .. that makes sense.

Well when you've been popped for it, it'd be insane to carry on taking it.

[Vinnykin]

They can't hand punishments to people unless they have an admission or ruling that they knowingly took it. This should be basic common sense.

They agreed to a settlement to avoid court, why can't you understand this?

This would have been a massive court case, with counter claims on both sides being likely, the loser would either be Fury, and be out for another 2 years, or UKAD, and Fury could sue them for loss of earnings.

Neither could accept the outcome of court so they settled it out of court, met halfway.

Basic law my friend. Happens all the time. There is no admission of guilt, just like there is no accusation from UKAD that ped's were the cause of the result, or findings of the test.

If they were confident they would have pursued it in court, they're not.

[Robbie Barrett]

They agreed to a settlement to avoid court, why can't you understand this?

This would have been a massive court case, with counter claims on both sides being likely, the loser would either be Fury, and be out for another 2 years, or UKAD, and Fury could sue them for loss of earnings.

Neither could accept the outcome of court so they settled it out of court, met halfway.

Basic law my friend. Happens all the time. There is no admission of guilt, just like there is no accusation from UKAD that ped's were the cause of the result, or findings of the test.

If they were confident they would have pursued it in court, they're not.

UKAD doesn't have to prove anything other than a failed test. It's entirely on the athlete to prove he didn't knowingly take it. This is an admission of guilt. Fury obviously thought he was going to be found guilty and have a four year ban which is why he accepted this deal.

I'm no lawyer but i'm confident UKAD wouldn't be able to ban and take Fury's fight money if it wasn't classed as an admission.

[Vinnykin]

UKAD doesn't have to prove anything other than a failed test. It's entirely on the athlete to prove he didn't knowingly take it. This is an admission of guilt. Fury obviously thought he was going to be found guilty and have a four year ban which is why he accepted this deal.

Obviously? nothing to do with being out 2 years and having to get back fighting? nothing to do with avoiding a 2 year court case at massive personal cost and relying on a judges opinion? Nothing to do with the millions he can make from getting back ASAP and fighting Joshua?

I'm sure none of that mattered and he just thought he was going to lose....