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Old 09-16-2019, 07:24 PM #131
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bruh she couldnt even finish her first sentence they already interrupted her....

even TI said it himself that he interrupted cuz she

you can not deny it.
That's right. She couldn't even state an era. instead she started by trying to belittle slavery.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:33 AM #132
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Did you explain that they did not all officially free their slaves by the end of the war?

And that the emancipation proclamation didn't apply to them?



When you realize that, then you will realize your mistake. Good luck on your journey.
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again i already went through all of that Im not gonna repeat myself
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:05 AM #133
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again i already went through all of that Im not gonna repeat myself
You're not going to repeat yourself because you know you're wrong, and you refuse to answer my questions because it makes it clear that you are wrong.


Plus you're outright lying. I asked you clearly if the troops ever went into the border states and demanded that the slaves be freed.

You ducked the question and NEVER gave an answer. I wonder why.


Jus stop it. You do this every time. You have very, very poor comprehension skills and you post as if you know what you're talking about with a pompous attitude, when honestly, you just aren't very bright.


Here's yet another one that backs up what I'm saying word for word. Have at it:

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The most popular lie is the one that says that Abraham Lincoln waged the war to free the slaves. Thatís just a plain lie. Ending slavery was the result at the end of the war but it was clearly not Lincolnís goal at the beginning of the war.

Lincoln had one reason and one reason alone for initiating war against the Confederacy: to keep the nation intact by suppressing the Southís secession. That was it. That was Lincolnís sole aim. Prior to the war, he had made it clear that slavery was legal under the U.S. Constitution. Thus, he believed, the only way to end it legally would have been by constitutional amendment.

Indeed, further proof of Lincolnís aim is seen in his Emancipation Proclamation, which freed slaves only in certain areas. If he were waging the war to end slavery, wouldnít he have proclaimed the freedom of all slaves, not just some of them?

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Makes perfect sense to those of us with a brain. If you still feel you can't understand this, go look up the Corwin Amendment and tell us what that was all about and why Lincoln approved of it directly before the Civil War. Then maybe you will find the error in your ways.

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Old 09-17-2019, 03:38 PM #134
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I'm not sure of the numbers, but I have seen racist liberals cite some crazy, ridiculous figures. One (Major Owens, iirc) even made the nutbar claim that to this day sharks still follow ships on the slave trade routes looking for slaves being thrown overboard).

But that's neither here nor there, however, as the slavers who put the slaves on the boats first purchased the African slaves from their African brothers.

So no one can blame only white people for it. It was bi-partisan.
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Two strawmen in one statement. Impressive.
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The fact is I didnt justify anything nor did I make claims about my IQ.

I simply asked for two figures, for comparison purposes.



Why would I make claims I dont know are true??

Who says my ancestors owned slaves? Who says they committed the acts you just accused them of?

Please, cut the strawmen and false claims. That gets us nowhere.

Remember, only a small percentage of Southerners (who made up well under 50% of the total US population) owned slaves.

So assuming that all American whites are descended from slave owners is pure ignorance.



You got that one right.
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It never ceases to amaze that we have idiots here telling us how horrible this country is while outsiders are literally dying trying to get in here.


As to folks leaving over taxes, we can fix that. And Trump is going his part by lowering our tax burdens.
Well unless you are counting Africa as a race and not a continent than itís not African brothers selling each other. Thatís like saying Italians selling Germans to the English is justified because they are all Europeans. A lot of North Africans sold dark African slaves to the Americaís too. However that still doesnít give white Americans a way out. It just points the blame at them and the current west Africans.

Two. It was sarcastic , I really wasnít calling you smart or high IQ. You are the only one to bring up black on black crime for what reason other than to put down the killing of blacks by whites.

Three, letís see your dna report and family history before you call me a lair then. Letís see your proof that I am
Lying. The burden is on you to prove me wrong.


Who said anything about the percentage of slaves ownership of America? That doesnít matter. Never heard of Jim Crow, black code and segregation? You didnít need to be a slave owner to torment African Americans in America. Up until the 60s blacks had no civil rights in the country.

Unless once again if you can prove your family was in the civil rights movement itís a good chance you guys supported the poor treatment of blacks.
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Two. It was sarcastic , I really wasn’t calling you smart or high IQ. You are the only one to bring up black on black crime for what reason other than to put down the killing of blacks by whites.
Just as I had to explain to MCC, you do not have mind-reading powers.

I already told my reasons why I cited black on black crime.

Why do you refuse to take me at my word?

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Three, let’s see your dna report and family history before you call me a lair then. Let’s see your proof that I am
Lying. The burden is on you to prove me wrong.
Actually the burden is on the person making the charge, in this case you.
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But it doesnt matter if my ancestors owned billions of slaves.

That's not my doing, and we don't hold people responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

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Who said anything about the percentage of slaves ownership of America? That doesn’t matter. Never heard of Jim Crow, black code and segregation? You didn’t need to be a slave owner to torment African Americans in America. Up until the 60s blacks had no civil rights in the country.
You missed my point entirely.

Just as with slavery, not all white Americans supported Jim Crow laws. Many opposed them, and as is the case with slavery (though to a much lesser degree), some whites died fighting for its repeal.

Just as you accused my of in you first paragraph, you're clumping all people of the same race together.

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Unless once again if you can prove your family was in the civil rights movement it’s a good chance you guys supported the poor treatment of blacks.
Again, it's a moot point what my ancestors did or did not do.

We arent making any headway anyway, you're repeating yourself and now acting like MCC, and we've always got along before.
(I have a feeling this issue hits you personally, though I could well be wrong. You've just never gotten snippy with me previously)

I think we arent going to see eye to eye here, do you not agree?
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Just as I had to explain to MCC, you do not have mind-reading powers.

I already told my reasons why I cited black on black crime.

Why do you refuse to take me at my word?



Actually the burden is on the person making the charge, in this case you.
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But it doesnt matter if my ancestors owned billions of slaves.

That's not my doing, and we don't hold people responsible for the actions of their ancestors.



You missed my point entirely.

Just as with slavery, not all white Americans supported Jim Crow laws. Many opposed them, and as is the case with slavery (though to a much lesser degree), some whites died fighting for its repeal.

Just as you accused my of in you first paragraph, you're clumping all people of the same race together.



Again, it's a moot point what my ancestors did or did not do.

We arent making any headway anyway, you're repeating yourself and now acting like MCC, and we've always got along before.
(I have a feeling this issue hits you personally, though I could well be wrong. You've just never gotten snippy with me previously)

I think we arent going to see eye to eye here, do you not agree?
Ok. I take back my statement about your ancestors because youíre right I was assuming.

However if I find history evidence on popular polls back in those days a lot of Americans views African Americans as sub human. So I find it hard to believe most felt bad for African Americans pre 1960s.


No not really itís not personal for me. Sorry for being over zealous.


I think we can find common ground. I do think black on black Violence is probably the top 3 thing that is hurting the black community and itís self inflicted by them and has no relation to white racism.


However I do want you to agree. That blacks did have it bad in America pre 1960s. And most likely nobody would trade places with them in those days. Yes America has some great achievements and at an global stand point is a great country but it wasnít great for blacks ( other than itís probably better living situations then 40% of African countries).

If we can agree to that. I am good. Final statement.
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However I do want you to agree. That blacks did have it bad in America pre 1960s. And most likely nobody would trade places with them in those days. Yes America has some great achievements and at an global stand point is a great country but it wasnít great for blacks ( other than itís probably better living situations then 40% of African countries).

If we can agree to that. I am good. Final statement.
Yes, I can agree with that statement.
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Ill answer, America was great before 911.

Now I gotta show a damn passport to cross the border when before 911 I didnt even need a damn I.D. to cross.
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This thread has me wondering. Is America clearly greater than any country? Is it better than South Korea? Is it better than Ghana? Is it better than Cuba? How about Canada?


Reminds me of what the great Frederick Douglass had to say about America:


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Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.

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We think of the good things the country has done. When you consider the other side....
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