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Old 07-23-2019, 09:53 PM #11
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And yes Judah was better than Cotto at welterweight even though he lost to Cotto after already losing all of his belts to Mayweather.

Judah was a two time welterweight champion with 6 title defenses, he was also undisputed at welterweight.

Cotto was two time welterweight champion with 5 title defenses, never unified the belts and was never undisputed.
Judah was only 30 when Cotto KOed him. Judah didn't unify sht. He beat lousy Corry Spinks who was already the unified champ. Then lost his belts to lousy Baldimor. He was NOT better than Cotto who knocked him out.
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:56 PM #12
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Old 07-23-2019, 10:06 PM #13
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Ts is a noob to boxing and just googled names yet has no idea how those fighters were viewed at the time

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And yes Judah was better than Cotto at welterweight even though he lost to Cotto after already losing all of his belts to Mayweather.

Judah was a two time welterweight champion with 6 title defenses, he was also undisputed at welterweight.

Cotto was two time welterweight champion with 5 title defenses, never unified the belts and was never undisputed.
Cotto was a fair step better than Judah overall, I think they put Judah into Tszyu too early and he was a little broken after that KO loss, the best Judah to step into a ring was the one that fought Floyd, boy oh boy he peaked for that one and this Judah was a shot with anyone.

Cotto that Manny beat was coming of a cheat beating that nearly ended his career, they fed Cotto two cans and then Manny at a CW,, Cotto had a stacked deck that night.

The best Cotto was a very rounded courageous fighter he had more off everything bar speed against Judah.
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Chatchai Sasakul, ended his career 3-3 against champions (Flyweight)

Lehlo Ledwaba, won a vacant belt against a non-champion. Never beat a champion in his career (Super Bantamweight)

David Diaz who got schooled by Kendall Holt. Beat a washed up Érik Morales, never beat another champion after that (Lightweight)

Antonio Margarito WITHOUT the hand wraps. Had six losses and no belt, they were fighting for a vacant one (Super Welterweight)

The only divisions he gets credit for conquering is when he beat Marquez to win his first belt at Super Featherweight and when he beat Miguel Cotto to win his first belt at Welterweight. Manny never won a belt at 140 or 126 so he’s not actually an eight division champion, he’s really a six division champion with wins against weak opponents in four of those divisions.

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Now let’s compare Floyd’s competition on his quest to becoming a multi-division champion

Genero Hernández, two time champion with 11 title defenses. Only loss was to Oscar De La Hoya. Was considered #1 in his division before Floyd beat him (Super Featherweight)
Hernández > Marquez at Super Featherweight

Jose Luis Castillo, two time champion with 5 title defenses. Considered #1 in his division (Lightweight)
Castillo > Díaz


Arturo Gatti, two division champion. (Super Lightweight) [This is the division Pacquiao never won a belt in]

Zab Judah, multiple time former world champion in two divisions and was undisputed champion (Welterweight)
Judah > Cotto at Welterweight

Oscar De La Hoya, six division champion and still champion at this time coming off of a big win against Ricardo Mayorga (Super Welterweight)
De La Hoya > Margarito
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Chatchai Sasakul, ended his career 3-3 against champions (Flyweight)

Lehlo Ledwaba, won a vacant belt against a non-champion. Never beat a champion in his career (Super Bantamweight)

David Diaz who got schooled by Kendall Holt. Beat a washed up Érik Morales, never beat another champion after that (Lightweight)

Antonio Margarito WITHOUT the hand wraps. Had six losses and no belt, they were fighting for a vacant one (Super Welterweight)

The only divisions he gets credit for conquering is when he beat Marquez to win his first belt at Super Featherweight and when he beat Miguel Cotto to win his first belt at Welterweight. Manny never won a belt at 140 or 126 so he’s not actually an eight division champion, he’s really a six division champion with wins against weak opponents in four of those divisions.

———————————————

Now let’s compare Floyd’s competition on his quest to becoming a multi-division champion

Genero Hernández, two time champion with 11 title defenses. Only loss was to Oscar De La Hoya. Was considered #1 in his division before Floyd beat him (Super Featherweight)
Hernández > Marquez at Super Featherweight

Jose Luis Castillo, two time champion with 5 title defenses. Considered #1 in his division (Lightweight)
Castillo > Díaz


Arturo Gatti, two division champion. (Super Lightweight) [This is the division Pacquiao never won a belt in]

Zab Judah, multiple time former world champion in two divisions and was undisputed champion (Welterweight)
Judah > Cotto at Welterweight

Oscar De La Hoya, six division champion and still champion at this time coming off of a big win against Ricardo Mayorga (Super Welterweight)
De La Hoya > Margarito
he beat marco antonio barrera when he was the ring magazine AKA the lineal champion of the world at the FW. came in as an underdog and totally destroyed him.

likewise, ricky hatton was the lineal and ring magazine champion of the world at 140 lbs. his lineage was traced back to kostya tszyu, a great and long reigning champion. hatton's loss came to floyd at the 147 limit and hatton's 140 lb lineage was not on the line.


at least get some real perspective and know what was going on at the time before you spout off your nonsense.
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Yeah

Dude had no hype

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No food

Yup

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Pacquiao's first fight in which he got noticed was when he was as a 2 week replacement against Ledwaba.

Even after that he had to starch Barrera before getting some attention.

Easy road. Lol.
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