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Old 10-12-2019, 03:10 PM #1
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Default Is Usyk more ideal in size @HW than RJJ, Toney, Haye, Holyfield?

Why are many so critical and creating this false narrative that Usyk isn't a Heavyweight? It's ridiculous
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:15 PM #2
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Toney always struggled with weight so he just ballooned up to a natural HW eventually as he kept fighting out of his prime. RJJ cherry picked Ruiz for a one time event. Holyfield of course had the steroids and I don't even give a crap about Haye but it's still relevant to the conversation. To me he's probably more ideal size than the fist 2 names but not the second 2.
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:19 PM #3
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Do you think those are the only men to have tried? Your point is ridiculous.
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Usyk is a heavyweight, he is just not as good or talented as? Evander Holyfield, David Haye etc the most recent cruiser-weights to move up to heavyweight.

'Infact I believe that Usyk is completely overrated'.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:44 PM #5
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Why are many so critical and creating this false narrative that Usyk isn't a Heavyweight? It's ridiculous
Who? Usyk weighed in at 215 which is heavier than Wilder has weighed in 2 of his last 3 fights.

He's a heavyweight. Hell, Cruiser started at 190 up until the 2000's I'm pretty sure.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:45 PM #6
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Usyk is a heavyweight, he is just not as good or talented as? Evander Holyfield, David Haye etc the most recent cruiser-weights to move up to heavyweight.

'Infact I believe that Usyk is completely overrated'.
Where are you getting that from? Usyk is 0-0 at Heavyweight, but he's accomplished a hell of a lot more at CW than Haye did, and until he starts injecting himself with PED's he ranks above Holyfield in my book.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:55 PM #7
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6ft3 and will likely build to over 220llbs.

I don't even see it as a debate whether he's a true heavyweight.

The question is whether that's enough for the 'super heavyweights' we have nowadays.

Personally I think he'll be alright. Whether he can win out is as much up for debate as any of the other champions given they've all got gaps in their resumes. He'll be another in the mix though.
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What Toney did was nothing short of amazing. 5ft 9 fat old and mixed it with good heavyweights.
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:29 PM #9
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Where are you getting that from? Usyk is 0-0 at Heavyweight, but he's accomplished a hell of a lot more at CW than Haye did, and until he starts injecting himself with PED's he ranks above Holyfield in my book.
From history and reality.

You will find out and start to realize as his timid heavyweight campaign continues.
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:32 PM #10
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What Toney did was nothing short of amazing. 5ft 9 fat old and mixed it with good heavyweights.
James Toney, In my eyes is probably the best pure boxer to ever lace up the gloves. If he just trained for his fights he could have gone down as the GOAT
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