Trump's Grandfather Was an Illegal Immigrant

[SunSpace]

He left Germany illegally? BFD.
He still became a US citizen legally.

Germany would disagree.

So, if you ran off to Russia tomorrow, and Putin made you a citizen, you don't think the US would still consider that illegal immigration?

It's not a two-way legal exchange between countries.

Hence, it's still illegal.

And nowhere there does it state anything about political asylum or anything of the sort.

Between that and the guy acting like this was Nazi Germany, you guys are reaching, big-time.

Trump's grandfather was an illegal immigrant.

Like it or not.

[SunSpace]

So basically what your saying is that Trumps grandfather wasn't a Nazi? Great to hear!

As always, people on boxingscene don't seem to do their research before they speak:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

This wasn't Nazi Germany, and I haven't seen evidence of any political asylum status.

If anything, current evidence could lead someone to think Trump's grandfather merely didn't want to risk his life in the military, and it would be an entirely plausible scenario.

Let's not try to paint this over like if he were some hero or whatever, just because he's White and Trump's grandfather.

He was an illegal immigrant.

Donald Trump is simply the second generation after that event.

Perhaps they'll re-think "anchor babies" now?

LOL

Pretty much any Mexican, from Mexico, has a family history of being in the Americas immensely longer than that of Trump's, at least going off of what we know so far.

Oh, how the irony must sting!

LOLLL!!!

[horge]

Germany would disagree.

You said he was an "illegal immigrant".

The U.S. accepted him as a legal immigrant,
which means you're wrong, and furthermore,
(because you keep harping on Germany's POV)
you don't understand the very basic difference
between immigration and emigration.

[SunSpace]

You said he was an "illegal immigrant".

The U.S. accepted him as a legal immigrant,
which means you're wrong, and furthermore,
(because you keep harping on Germany's POV)
you don't understand the very basic difference
between immigration and emigration.

No, you don't understand.

You can't just up and leave your country without due legal process. The only exceptions that we know of are political refugees and the sort, which, as far as I know, Trump's grandfather wasn't.

Trump's grandfather violated Germany's laws by illegally immigrating to another country.

Whether the U.S. granted him citizenship or not is irrelevant.

But, keep trying to spin this, I'm having a blast seeing what you all cook up. LOL!

[horge]

No, you don't understand.

Trump's grandfather violated Germany's laws by illegally immigrating to another country.

LMAO...
read what I posted earlier AGAIN.

You said he was an "illegal immigrant".

you don't understand the very basic difference
between immigration and emigration.

Breaking Germany's laws on emigration makes him an
ILLEGAL EMIGRANT, and only from Germany's POV.

He apparently met US law/standards on IMMIGRATION,
and he was accepted by the US as a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Your claim that he was an illegal immigrant is false.
This isn't just a matter of semantics, lol.

Germany has a say in who gets to be German national,
but Germany cannot dictate who the U.S. decides
to accept as a U.S. citizen.

You can't just up and leave your country without due legal process. The only exceptions that we know of are political refugees and the sort, which, as far as I know, Trump's grandfather wasn't.

U.S. immigration officials apparently disagreed with
your false assumptions and non sequiturs, because
the guy eventually was granted U.S. citizenship.

Please try to get a little more educated.
That way, you will at least KNOW when you are being
schooled so hard, and so publicly, lol...

[DeadLikeMe]

Just wait until we extract SafeSpace's illegal relatives from the Bay Area. Model minority doe!

[horge]

...but let me address 's this contradictory piece of fluff
separately, as it deserves:

You can't just up and leave your country without due legal process. The only exceptions that we know of are political refugees and the sort, which, as far as I know, Trump's grandfather wasn't.

Preventing someone from renouncing their citizenship is
not something you'll find countenanced under U.S. law,
hence the U.S. would view such a policy as repressive,
which in turn aids any argument for political asylum.

Stressing German laws on emigration over US laws
on immigration, when claiming that someone is an
illegal immigrant, is just the sort of nonsense one
can expect from a fucking globalist: the sort that views
nationalism/patriotism as a dirty word.

Then again, it could simply mean that the poor soul
has a very poor grasp of words and meaning, of laws
and of rights... much less of freedoms.

[SunSpace]

LMAO...
read what I posted earlier AGAIN.



Breaking Germany's laws on emigration makes him an
ILLEGAL EMIGRANT, and only from Germany's POV.

He apparently met US law/standards on IMMIGRATION,
and he was accepted by the US as a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Your claim that he was an illegal immigrant is false.
This isn't just a matter of semantics, lol.

Germany has a say in who gets to be German national,
but Germany cannot dictate who the U.S. decides
to accept as a U.S. citizen.




U.S. immigration officials apparently disagreed with
your false assumptions and non sequiturs, because
the guy eventually was granted U.S. citizenship.

Please try to get a little more educated.
That way, you will at least KNOW when you are being
schooled so hard, and so publicly, lol...

LOL

Immigration:
To travel to a country of which one is not a native with the intention of settling there as a permanent resident. "Immigrant" is used to describe coming to a new country—for example, "she immigrated to the United States." "Emigrant" is used to describe departing from one's country—for example, "she emigrated from Ireland."

Trump's grandfather was not a U.S. citizen before abandoning Germany.

He fled Germany precisely with the intent of settling in the U.S. as a permanent citizen, one day. Hence, he was an illegal immigrant in the U.S. because:

1. He violated Germany's laws in fleeing to another country/avoiding military service.

2. He wasn't already a citizen of the U.S.

3. He just showed up there and hoped for citizenship one day; what more could you want?

Whether he eventually obtained citizenship is irrelevant.

It's the equivalent of the idea of granting current illegal immigrants in the U.S. citizenship; that doesn't erase the fact that they were illegal immigrants up until that point. And what I mean by this is that once a law is violated, it's violated, whether we like it or not. In Trump's case, even after citizenship, he remained an illegal immigrant in the eyes of Germany, and would have been considered this way in the US, as well, if they had known what he did.

You're reaching, big-time.

Let me educate you:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Emigrate_vs_Immigrate

http://writingexplained.org/immigrat...and-emigration

Donald Trump's grandfather can be categorized as both illegally emigrating from Germany and illegally immigrating to another country.

This would be from both the German and the U.S. point of view.

For the billionth time, it is irrelevant whether he was eventually granted citizenship.

That does not erase what happened.

You're playing with words hoping that you'll fool someone from the other side into thinking any of what you're saying is coherent, but it's not.

Indeed, it's not only a question of semantics, but of laws, as well.

You can thank me later for educating you on both.

[Sweet Pea 50]

I understand Sun Face's attempt out a OMG Trump hypocrite pwn!, even though it's been ripped to shreds.

But lettuce beef cereal here.

The problems regarding illegal immigration are a metric shit ton different considering the year Trump's granpappy came over (1885), and now.

The nation back then had a population 1/6th the size currently.

They didn't have organized crime rings controlling giant violent street and prison gang populations.

The nation wasn't neighbors with a nation with cartels that made billions and slaughtered 10's of thousand of their own countrymen.

The nation back then didn't have the highest prison population in the entire industrialized world.

There are a billion reasons why these issues are why they are, and it would be foolish and dishonest to just "Blame it on da Messicans".

But if you are a an illegal immigrant and commit a serious crime over here?

Get the fuck out.

[SunSpace]

...but let me address 's this contradictory piece of fluff
separately, as it deserves:



Preventing someone from renouncing their citizenship is
not something you'll find countenanced under U.S. law,
hence the U.S. would view such a policy as repressive,
which in turn aids any argument for political asylum.

Stressing German laws on emigration over US laws
on immigration, when claiming that someone is an
illegal immigrant, is just the sort of nonsense one
can expect from a fucking globalist: the sort that views
nationalism/patriotism as a dirty word.

Then again, it could simply mean that the poor soul
has a very poor grasp of words and meaning, of laws
and of rights... much less of freedoms.

Oh, fantastic argument:

You're basically saying that because you believe that the U.S. would find a hypothetical scenario (spun solely from your point of view) worthy of political asylum that we must retroactively grant that to Donald Trump's grandfather, even though it never happened.

What in the world? Honestly! LOL

Your opinion now as to whether it is worthy of asylum is irrelevant to history!

It either happened, or it didn't! LOL

You don't dictate any of that, nor can it plausibly be used to defend your position.

Now you're reaching bigly, as the Donald would say.