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Old 06-15-2019, 03:20 PM #81
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For the "wait for the facts guys" who got my thread locked

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Old 06-15-2019, 04:53 PM #82
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Here is the vid.

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Won’t be seeing the donut operator video. There is nothing he could add to context.

They clearly had the agenda if he reached for the gun he was getting shot.

They talked about opening the door and snatching him and the gun out.

Taking forever to do so.

They suddenly all unload in him essentially point blank.

Why in the world they said put your hands up after episode is beyond me.

The kicker. They open the door after. (I recall the news articles saying the door was locked and they couldn’t get in to disarm him).
I'm not a cop, I've also never had a job where I go to work everyday where I'll encounter multiple situations that I might not survive. I've also never been in a position where I had to disarm a person with a presumably loaded firearm. I can't presume to know what that situation is like and how hard it is to solve every situation perfectly. Have you been in those situations? Are you saying you'd have done better?

The kicker, you watched the video but you didn't pay attention. Officer tries to open the door somewhere around the 2:50 mark to grab the gun and it's locked. At the end the officer clearly states he's going to unlock the door. He pulls up the lock through the broken glass and opens it.

He reached for a stolen gun on his lap with officers surrounding him at gunpoint. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Old 06-16-2019, 08:42 AM #83
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If I were shot 55 times, I don't think I could raise my hands!

I'm just saying!
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Old 06-16-2019, 10:01 AM #84
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I'm not a cop, I've also never had a job where I go to work everyday where I'll encounter multiple situations that I might not survive. I've also never been in a position where I had to disarm a person with a presumably loaded firearm. I can't presume to know what that situation is like and how hard it is to solve every situation perfectly. Have you been in those situations? Are you saying you'd have done better?

The kicker, you watched the video but you didn't pay attention. Officer tries to open the door somewhere around the 2:50 mark to grab the gun and it's locked. At the end the officer clearly states he's going to unlock the door. He pulls up the lock through the broken glass and opens it.

He reached for a stolen gun on his lap with officers surrounding him at gunpoint. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I watch again. Must admit was watching what a kid on my lap. I was also overly fo is on when the shot were being fired.

True if Iím police I donít want want to risk being shot either. They however are trained to electric moats the risk not necessarily kill.

They were so amped up on a sleeping man that any movement meant his life. Thatís what happened.
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Old 06-16-2019, 10:55 AM #85
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I watch again. Must admit was watching what a kid on my lap. I was also overly fo is on when the shot were being fired.

True if Iím police I donít want want to risk being shot either. They however are trained to electric moats the risk not necessarily kill.

They were so amped up on a sleeping man that any movement meant his life. Thatís what happened.
Yes, any movement towards the stolen gun in his lap. If any movement meant his life him scratching his shoulder would have been the end. From what I can see they only engaged when he posed a threat to their lives.
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:02 AM #86
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I guess your can generalize it that way.

But I think one is inherently more dangerous than the other.

in fact one was designed to kill and only kill. The other can kill but not designed to do so.

Iím not worried about someone intentionally coming inside my house to kill me with a gun or my child killing herself with a car.
So many more people die in car accidents every year than gun related deaths.

Your argument is pretty bad at this point.
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:11 AM #87
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If I were shot 55 times, I don't think I could raise my hands!

I'm just saying!
Hypothetically, lets say you tried to rob me with a knife and I pulled my gun and shot you. I have 15 + 1 in the chamber with my 9MM.

I wouldn't shoot you once. I'd pull the trigger until the gun went 'click'.
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:13 PM #88
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So many more people die in car accidents every year than gun related deaths.

Your argument is pretty bad at this point.
I disagree with the assertion that the argument is bad.

The are not remotely the same. Just think about it.

Start with how much often Is a car used vs a Gun.

People use a car a few times a day. Everyday. How many time does an person use there guns? Or even take it out the safe.
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:22 PM #89
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Hypothetically, lets say you tried to rob me with a knife and I pulled my gun and shot you. I have 15 + 1 in the chamber with my 9MM.

I wouldn't shoot you once. I'd pull the trigger until the gun went 'click'.
I get that point. But at some point it stops being self defense and turns to murder or at least imperfect self defense.

Would you want to have to explain yourself to a jury and have them decide your fate in yiur fact pattern? I certainly wouldnít.

Before you answer here an FYI.

Self defense must be reasonable.

Canít shot someone for punching for example.
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Hypothetically, lets say you tried to rob me with a knife and I pulled my gun and shot you. I have 15 + 1 in the chamber with my 9MM.

I wouldn't shoot you once. I'd pull the trigger until the gun went 'click'.
I wouldnt unload all at once. With 15+1, id shoot 7 and hold the rest just incase.
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