Hearn: Thank god we didn't take $50m. Next year we may be looking at making $200m

[koolkc107]

When Eddie says the fight could do $200M next year, is he saying (1) he seriously miscalculated the value of the fight, thus being an idiot, or (2) he knew the real value of the fight, and that $15M flat fee was a total bullsh it offer from the beginning, thus making him a snake?

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[that g]

Nonsense.

...they offered the guarantee of the 50 and the 30 on the strength of buying the rights for...

How was BT financing anything by Haymon and Finkel GIVING THEM (BT) MONEY FOR THE BRITISH TV RIGHTS???????

Why don't YOU read what was said.

They were guaranteeing 50 million for the first fight and 30 for the second.

They wanted to buy the rights to show it on BT most likely to cut Hearn and Sky out of everything since they didn't need them involved at all especially with Warren on board in Britain.

It is the same type of thing Hearn tried when he offered Wilder fights on DAZN, knowing he has a relationship with Showtime.

It has zero to do with Haymon or Finkel needing money from BT, which they didn't. If they did, trying to PAY BT is a funny way of going about it, don't you think?

I hope this helps...

oh stop the silliness. i quoted the whole thing there for you to read. there was not going to be any contract if it wasn't funded by BT sport, which is the original assertion you disagreed with. BT was fronting the money, not receiving the money from anyone. to say otherwise is to simply ignore the truth.

the only way shelley could come up with the money was BT Sport (referred to as "they" in the first sentence of the warren quote) buying the rights to the fight. how in the world does it make sense that shelley was trying to give BT sport 80 mill to buy air time? are you serious?

[uppercut510]

they did meet and Hearn confirmed the $50 mill was there..Boxingscene even posted an article on it..Not sure why that gets ignored..Hearn then moved the goal post by saying they would take less to make the fight in the UK and trying to give Wilder a flat fee

no matter what truth comes out about the 50mil these guys will never accept it which is why they have zero credibility and have become the laughing stock of boxing.

[koolkc107]

oh stop the silliness. i quoted the whole thing there for you to read. there was not going to be any contract if it wasn't funded by BT sport, which is the original assertion you disagreed with. BT was fronting the money, not receiving the money from anyone. to say otherwise is to simply ignore the truth.

the only way shelley could come up with the money was BT Sport (referred to as "they" in the first sentence of the warren quote) buying the rights to the fight. how in the world does it make sense that shelley was trying to give BT sport 80 mill to buy air time? are you serious?

Silliness?

I quoted what was said ACCORDING TO YOU verbatim.

They weren't selling anything.

They wanted to buy airtime on BT, the same way the PBC operates here in the US.

You are deluded if you think they were going to depend on BT or Sky or any British PPV to guarantee AJ 50 million anyway.

PPV's aired from Britain in British primetime DONT EVEN USUALLY GROSS 50 MILLION FROM BRITISH VIEWERS!

THE WLAD FIGHT IS THE ONLY ONE TO TOP 50M AND THAT WAS BARELY!

SO HOW IN HOMEMADE FUQUE WERE THEY DEPENDING ON BRITISH ANYTHING TO PAY AJ?

Shake yourself, man.

Warren said exactly what you quoted.

They were buying, not selling.

[SthPaw]

When Eddie says the fight could do $200M next year, is he saying (1) he seriously miscalculated the value of the fight, thus being an idiot, or (2) he knew the real value of the fight, and that $15M flat fee was a total bullsh it offer from the beginning, thus making him a snake?

Precisely. Either way you slice the cake, it’s a bad look. This is what happens when you are so embedded in your own lies and schemes, you end up being very easy to contradict and make yourself look foolish.

This is also why AJ is as quiet as a mouse, don’t fall for the humble image: he is quiet because his team want him protected for the meantime and his mouth caused a shítstorm last time he was let off the leash slightly.

AJ isn’t humble-he is under control.

[LetOutTheCage]

Hearn coming across very bad here

[Manlikefemi]

That is incorrect. Why are you under that impression? If you have no experience or insight into putting together fights or dealing with networks, why are you making authoritative declarations about how things work when you really have no idea?




Showtime has an agreement with Wilder's adviser to be given priority on his fights. There is nothing wrong with Wilder's adviser coming to Showtime and asking what they would be willing to guarantee for a fight he's attempting to put together.




That is incorrect. Why are you under that impression? If you have no experience or insight into putting together fights or dealing with networks, why are you making authoritative declarations about how things work when you really have no idea?

For pretty much every major US PPV in history, HBO or SHO has advanced the purses. That is part of what they get paid to do.




LOL I've been doing this for a living for nearly 20 years. What are your qualifications exactly? And if your position is so strong, why are you resorting to name calling?

Yes, the fight must be on Sky. Nobody is denying that. Warren's role was to help Finkel determine the value of the UK rights. You don't guarantee AJ 50 million and then give the fight to Sky for free do you? How do you make sure to get fair value from Sky if you don't have a legitimate offer from BT for Sky to match or reject?

Firstly, i am using common sense, for a PPV Fight, TV Networks do not advance the purses. They either give a minimum gurantee or and more commonly- they do a Deal with the fighter's promoters for a cut of the PPV.

In the UK as Hearn has confirmed, for a Joshua PPV. All the PPV generated, Sky takes 40%, Matchroom 10% and Joshua the rest.

This is not licensing content where you pay a set fee for TV Rights. PPV Model dosent work like that. Stephen Espinoza has said himself, out of the own horses mouth, Showtime does not get involved until venue and purses are sorted. Watch the interviews on Seconds out and bOxing Voice.

Also my friend, he stated publicly snd confirmed Showtime does not have any legal paper with Wilder. So theoretically the fight dosent have to be on Showtime PPV.

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Firstly, i am using common sense

If you have no education, experience, or insight, and are simply offering an amateur opinion, you really would have no way of knowing what common sense would be in boxing.

for a PPV Fight, TV Networks do not advance the purses.

100% wrong. For every major PPV in history. HBO & SHO have fronted the money for the fighters' purses, which they then hope to make back when the PPV receipts come rolling in.

Stephen Espinoza has said himself, out of the own horses mouth, Showtime does not get involved until venue and purses are sorted.

HBO & SHO have to be careful about what they say to avoid being accused of being promoters. But they get involved long before venue and purses are sorted. Venue is often irrelevant and purses can't be sorted until content providers know what HBO or SHO would be willing to pay for a fight. Or in the instance of PPV, how many buys they'd be willing to guarantee.

Also my friend, he stated publicly snd confirmed Showtime does not have any legal paper with Wilder. So theoretically the fight dosent have to be on Showtime PPV.

When Wilder accepted the 15 million, the fight would have been on DAZN. PBC has an oral agreement with Showtime, but Haymon is able to operate in this way because of the loyalty he shows. He wouldn't have put Wilder on DAZN without Showtime's blessing.

[Manlikefemi]

If you have no education, experience, or insight, and are simply offering an amateur opinion, you really would have no way of knowing what common sense would be in boxing.




100% wrong. For every major PPV in history. HBO & SHO have fronted the money for the fighters' purses, which they then hope to make back when the PPV receipts come rolling in.




HBO & SHO have to be careful about what they say to avoid being accused of being promoters. But they get involved long before venue and purses are sorted. Venue is often irrelevant and purses can't be sorted until content providers know what HBO or SHO would be willing to pay for a fight. Or in the instance of PPV, how many buys they'd be willing to guarantee.




When Wilder accepted the 15 million, the fight would have been on DAZN. PBC has an oral agreement with Showtime, but Haymon is able to operate in this way because of the loyalty he shows. He wouldn't have put Wilder on DAZN without Showtime's blessing.

Showtime or PPV Providers does not advance purses for PPV Fights, they offer gurantee's or they take a cut from the PPV Sales Generated as a way to get their money back from Investment.

Showtime has invested millions into Joshua and Wilder for licensing their fights. This is a way to get their money back, through PPV Money Generated.

You're talking nonesense, SHO does not have a contract with Wilder of any kind. Therefore Hearn/Finkle can sell the US TV Rights to whom ever it wants. However with UK TV Rights, it cannot as Joshua is tied to Sky.

On your third point. LMAO. Are you implying Showtime would be sued for confirming they contributed to a fighter's purse and would be therefore recognised as a promotion entity ?

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Showtime or PPV Providers does not advance purses for PPV Fights

You're 100% wrong and clearly have no idea how things operate. Which is fine, you're a fan, you shouldn't know how things operate. The problem is that you're convinced you know, when you don't. You've repeated this lie over and over for no reason other than pure ignorance and arrogance.

https://www.boxingscene.com/why-arum...imself--110184

“Then we looked at what HBO was doing and what the HBO deal was, and we then said, ‘Where are we?’ So No. 1, HBO charges a distribution fee of 7½-percent for handling the distribution, which is really next to nothing, but also for getting involved in the advertising and so forth. And also for giving us an advance on fight night, so we can pay the fighters. Then they would do the production and so forth. We looked at all of those instances.”

“The night of the fight we have to pay the fighters, cash for the fighters [in the form of checks],” Arum said. “But it’s an advance [from HBO Sports]."