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Old 08-17-2018, 02:40 AM #51
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Gosh Arum definitely hated on, I did too.. Hearn is the new flavour of the month. With Arum we have just accepted it now after many years and many fighters.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:06 AM #52
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the difference is very simple AJ was offered the biggest purse in heavyweight history to fight wilder. and he passed

crawford vs spence has never been negotiated.

arum is waiting for spence vs crawford to become a ppv fight so both guys can get paid for the risk.

AJ vs wilder is already a ppv
He's gonna be waiting a while cause there doesn't seem to be even any effort to hype a potential fight
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:16 AM #53
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It was a carefully planned dance between the two camps. They both knew when and how the fight was going to happen.
i cant believe that...just cant

because when manny left negotiations to fight clottey in dallas it seemed to come as a complete suprise to floyd and his people.....floyd was left with nothing.....thats why haymon had to have berto pull out of the shane fight so floyd had shane to fight...they used the earthquake in haiti excuse for berto to pull out

i think after a certain point floyd said "**** it" and didnt care and was waiting it out ....but initially i think floyd was serious and thought it was going to happen ....he had no backup plan at first.....
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:04 AM #54
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:47 AM #55
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So in other words we should blame arum that his fighters knows how to fight?
WTF? I don't know how you got that out of what I posted.
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:53 AM #56
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It's funny because when Brook had the title Americans ripped him to shreds for not fighting the top fighters even though it wasn't his fault as every one was ducking him. But here with two American fighters the Americans have a very different stance. Funny that isn't it?
You are exaggerating the criticism Brook got. He did get some but I think its fair to criticize the selections of Dan, Bizier and Frankie Gavin.

I can only speak for myself. I want Crawford and Manny to unify and Thurman and Spence to unify and then the winners fight. Is there something wrong with that?

Absent that, I would want Spence to defend against Ugas or fight the Porter/Garcia winner next. Is there something wrong with that?

You are trying to make things similar but they really are not.

What fights do you want to see next?
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:58 AM #57
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I think it was an issue with the wording you used because you said advantage instead of "better" or "Favorite".

Linares was on many people's P4P list as well. It is difficult to say how wide the gap between the two is, they both have their strengths and weakness even though I believe Mikey is better I don't think the gap is as wide as you are suggesting.

In any case, unless Mikey and Linares get in the ring together we wouldn't know for sure.
I used the proper word. He was much faster and more skilled, hence the advanatge.

Linares wasn't on any credible p4p lists that I saw. I think we know Mikey is better than Linares and giving Linares the benefit of the doubt seems unfair.

It would be like giving Gervonta the benefit of the doubt against Loma.

The point is BOb makes out of TR fights when his guys have the clear advantage. He isn't making fights where his guy will not win until he has no choice but to.
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Old 08-17-2018, 01:51 PM #58
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I used the proper word. He was much faster and more skilled, hence the advanatge.

Linares wasn't on any credible p4p lists that I saw. I think we know Mikey is better than Linares and giving Linares the benefit of the doubt seems unfair.

It would be like giving Gervonta the benefit of the doubt against Loma.

The point is BOb makes out of TR fights when his guys have the clear advantage. He isn't making fights where his guy will not win until he has no choice but to.
If you put it that way than Mayweather had an advantage over everyone he fought.
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:13 PM #59
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If you put it that way than Mayweather had an advantage over everyone he fought.
Yes he did. Floyd is an ATG that was always the most skilled and fastest guy in the ring. There are very few in history as skilled and all the people faster were usually 20lbs smaller.

Moat great boxers have advantages over their opposition.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:40 PM #60
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Garcia has been saying for over a year that he wants to fight Loma. Arum is a spiteful bastard though and it's pretty clear to any free thinking individual that Bob ain't gonna let it happen because of his history with Mikey. Hell, he was pretty much forced to let Manny fight Floyd and he admitted that once.
Saying and wanting are 2 completely different things. I say he doesn't want it. He knows he loses and losing to Loma will look much worse than losing to Spence. And Arum isn't dumb enough to lose the opportunity to have his fighter completely embarrass Mikey on the world stage. And no matter what anyone says, we always get the fights with Bob. Always.

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